Rightdm00 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Keener window-cleaner said: I checked the official site but could find it, but I guess he is still set piece coach? Or does he have other responsibilities now under Emery, I'm not sure. Would you say that the goals we conceded seemed to be a lack of organisation and instructions or were they more individual errors? Did't think of it myself during the game. Lack of Tyrone Mings. Ezri and Pau just aren't the aerial duel winning type. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: Lack of Tyrone Mings. Ezri and Pau just aren't the aerial duel winning type. It’s interesting because our players have made me realise how different a skill it is heading the ball in both boxes. I’d argue both Konsa and Torres are better at attacking the ball from corners but Mings was a monster in our own box. His positioning was (feel like I should also say IS) so good. The ball seemed to be drawn towards him like a magnet and his height and strength did the rest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 5 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: " As bad as some here " ? Half these people have no clue what they are talking about, or how to even evaluate a set piece coach. It's just another one of those bizarre scapegoat type threads which only ever gets bumped after a loss. I've never seen it bumped when a set piece routine has come off brilliantly etc. It’s a genuine concern, two teams conceded less than us from set pieces last season and were the joint worst already this season with three. The term scapegoat gets thrown around too often on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Rightdm00 said: Lack of Tyrone Mings. Ezri and Pau just aren't the aerial duel winning type. We were 3rd last season for most conceded from set pieces so I don’t know if that’s valid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 5 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Half these people have no clue what they are talking about, or how to even evaluate a set piece coach. Do you know how to evaluate a set piece coach? I definitely don’t. But I know we conceded a lot from them last season and on the eye test this season we look poor again. And I wonder why that is, not a McPhee witch-hunt or scapegoating session, just a concern related to our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 MacPhee needs to take blame for VAR not calling first Plop goal offside 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 8 hours ago, villaglint said: It’s interesting because our players have made me realise how different a skill it is heading the ball in both boxes. I’d argue both Konsa and Torres are better at attacking the ball from corners but Mings was a monster in our own box. His positioning was (feel like I should also say IS) so good. The ball seemed to be drawn towards him like a magnet and his height and strength did the rest. Hause is the best example of that! he seemingly had a sheriffs badge for a head but when its in our box it doesnt matter, won so many headers but im sure OT was his only headed goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 6 hours ago, IrishVilla10 said: Do you know how to evaluate a set piece coach? I definitely don’t. But I know we conceded a lot from them last season and on the eye test this season we look poor again. And I wonder why that is, not a McPhee witch-hunt or scapegoating session, just a concern related to our team. I don't, but i know that Football is a fluid game affected by multiple, unpredictable variables at any given moment. I feel it's almost similar blaming the medical team/physios for the injuries to to Mings and Buendia. The most coaches can do, is prepare players/teams the best they can, then the majority of what happens on the pitch, after that, is on them. Opinions of course mate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Have said it previously but apparently it's the case that set-piece coaches often have a lot of freedom for offensive ones, but less so defensive, which is why you see the set-up when defending set-pieces change manager-by-manager, because they often have their own ideas on how it should be done. It's the one consistent criticism I've seen of Emery from various coaching, tactics etc pages, that under him we leave a lot of space to attack at the near post from corners that the likes of City, Liverpool and probably more have been able to capitalise on too easily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Fittingly enough just seen this re: the above: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Indigo said: Fittingly enough just seen this re: the above: Yeah we're not picking on MacPhee just to blame him of all our set piece woes. But it has been an issue for a long time. The set up doesn't work for our squad. It vastly improved towards the latter end of the season but we also had Mings at the time. Without Mings - we're counting on a short squad to win that front post space and it's been exploited several times in just the last few games. We're susceptible to picks and screens with this mostly man to man set up and the refs will not call it in our favor. Edited September 7, 2023 by DJBOB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 05/09/2023 at 23:06, Rightdm00 said: Lack of Tyrone Mings. Ezri and Pau just aren't the aerial duel winning type. spot on.....maybe a new shiny one, in Jan would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, DJBOB said: Yeah we're not picking on MacPhee just to blame him of all our set piece woes. But it has been an issue for a long time. The set up doesn't work for our squad. It vastly improved towards the latter end of the season but we also had Mings at the time. Without Mings - we're counting on a short squad to win that front post space and it's been exploited several times in just the last few games. We're susceptible to picks and screens with this mostly man to man set up and the refs will not call it in our favor. The Nunez header for their 3rd goal....showed conclusively that we are short on aerial ability.....and its not the first time, we have succumbed to this type of vulnerability.....its frustrating. Edited September 8, 2023 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Letting in 2 goals on corners in the same game is not acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 We often fall victim to these crap stats. The chances of scoring off a corner are about 1%, scoring two in a game will be really low. Like when ward prowse scored two direct free kicks v us, I looked at the data and that happens roughly once every 4000 or so games so about once every 5 seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Love this little move! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, Brumstopdogs said: Love this little move! MacPhee IN! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 It's pretty simple with McPhee for me. If he wasn't thorough and proving with facts his theories are worth continuing with, Emery would have him out on his ear. We do look shaky at times from set-pieces... because the guy who headed away about 80% of them isn't there any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 It didnt pay off but he definitely had a productive international break. We had 2 very intelligent free kicks that just didn't come off 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyVillans Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 7 ward prowse corners we dealt with pretty well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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