MrBlack Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Heard on a podcast Beyonce concerts etc count towards revenue which seems a bit unfair for football gains Especially so when we don't own the stadium, but hey, if its a way for us to lessen the gap to the sky 6 I'm all for it. It's one that genuinely has no adverse impact on our day to day. If we could come up with a way, like spurs, to have the pitch retractable, we could even host them in the middle of the season. I guess if the club owns the ground, any money they make from it should becoutned as club profits. If our rental agreement is such that we can host whatever we want there and keep all the money, then same applies. Does make me wonder how any stadium improvement costs would be born by us anyway as we don't own it. The company that owns it would pay for any upgrades, and then increase our rent once its done to recoup (obviously on very favourable terms). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Latest Deloitte Money League has our revenue for last season at £214m. I wonder how they know, our accounts have not been published yet, unless they have early access… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: Latest Deloitte Money League has our revenue for last season at £214m. I wonder how they know, our accounts have not been published yet, unless they have early access… Unlikely. That kind of information is locked behind regulatory secret walls. PwC are our auditors so not like they'd have got it through their work either, and accidentally revealed it. Maybe some educated guess work on their side Edit: realised you probably already know this so actually wondering now why you think they might have? Edited March 1 by MrBlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) 8 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Unlikely. That kind of information is locked behind regulatory secret walls. PwC are our auditors so not like they'd have got it through their work either, and accidentally revealed it. Maybe some educated guess work on their side Edit: realised you probably already know this so actually wondering now why you think they might have? I don't know. Perhaps they have some agreement with UEFA to provide them with high level figures for all clubs. Our accounts would have been signed off for a while now as we had to share them with premier league and uefa for FFP calculations. Anyway £214m is good...I was expecting something much closer to £200m Edited March 1 by Czarnikjak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post turvontour Posted March 1 Popular Post Share Posted March 1 That £14mil increase was probably my season ticket. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post burchy Posted March 1 Popular Post Share Posted March 1 2 minutes ago, turvontour said: That £14mil increase was probably my season ticket. Still in the cheap seats then ya tight wad 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted March 1 VT Supporter Share Posted March 1 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: I don't know. Perhaps they have some agreement with UEFA to provide them with high level figures for all clubs. Our accounts would have been signed off for a while now as we had to share them with premier league and uefa for FFP calculations. Anyway £214m is good...I was expecting something much closer to £200m If true is shows we are on the right trajectory Edited March 1 by Follyfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 On 19/02/2024 at 20:37, MrBlack said: Especially so when we don't own the stadium, but hey, if its a way for us to lessen the gap to the sky 6 I'm all for it. If our rental agreement is such that we can host whatever we want there and keep all the money, then same applies. It'll be this, or something similar. If we dont own Villa Park (which we dont) then technically match day income wouldn't be the clubs either - it'd go to whatever pot of money that Springsteen, Foo Fighters, Pink, and the Motocross money went into and Aston Villa won't see a penny for FFP/PSR There's a reason we host events - we aren't doing it for the sheer honour of having the above artists/events in "our" stadium. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, MrBlack said: Unlikely. That kind of information is locked behind regulatory secret walls. PwC are our auditors so not like they'd have got it through their work either, and accidentally revealed it. Maybe some educated guess work on their side UEFA seemed to have all European clubs revenue figures for 2022/23 for that UEFA report that was published a week or two ago. ... and they published that into the public domain. Edited March 1 by ender4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, Czarnikjak said: Latest Deloitte Money League has our revenue for last season at £214m. I wonder how they know, our accounts have not been published yet, unless they have early access… Newcastle was £250m for 22/23. That also didn't include European football or their new Saudi sleeve sponsor who happens to pay more than double our main sponsor lol. Are we closing the gap? Europe in 23/24 will definitely help, but 24/25 brings the new Adidas deal and hopefully CL football. 25/26 brings a new shirt sponsor. Until then, it's hard to catch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2022/23 - £214m 2023/24 - £214m + £30m Conference League + £10m matchday + £6m extras = £250m 2024/25 - £250m + £30m CL (on top of the £30m in 2023/24) + £10m matchday + £20m Adidas = £310m. Wages and amortisation in Europe capped at 80% for this season - max of £248m. Someone else will need to work out whether that gives us enough revenue to be able to add players this summer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ender4 said: 2022/23 - £214m 2023/24 - £214m + £30m Conference League + £10m matchday + £6m extras = £250m 2024/25 - £250m + £30m CL (on top of the £30m in 2023/24) + £10m matchday + £20m Adidas = £310m. Wages and amortisation in Europe capped at 80% for this season - max of £248m. Someone else will need to work out whether that gives us enough revenue to be able to add players this summer! I just read that Uefa report you mentioned and it scared me. Our wages jumped by 38% last season from £139m to £191m. We had extremely high ratio of wages to revenue. Based on that, I would expect player sales for big profit ( someone with zero or low net book value) before we can bring someone in. And apparently we made a loss of £118m! Doesn't bode well for this summer. All this rumours about selling JJ might have to come true. Edited March 1 by Czarnikjak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Leeds Utd are 16th in the WORLD for shirt sales… Sobering and shows how far we need to go Quote Barcelona (Nike) – €179m Real Madrid (Adidas) – €155m Bayern Munich (Adidas) – €147m Liverpool (Nike) – €132m Manchester United (Adidas) – €130m Paris Saint-Germain (Nike) – €97m Arsenal (Adidas) – €89m Chelsea (Nike) – €87m Juventus (Adidas) – €74m Tottenham (Nike) – €74m Manchester City (Puma) – €73m Borussia Dortmund (Puma) – €54m AC Milan (Puma) – €47m Ajax (Adidas) – €41m Galatasaray (Nike) – €35m Leeds United (Adidas) – €35m Celtic (Adidas) – €34m Fenerbahçe (Puma) – €31m Eintracht Frankfurt (Nike) – €26m Inter Milan (Nike) – €26m https://www.leedsallover.com/revealed-leeds-united-making-30m-from-shirt-sales-more-than-aston-villa-and-newcastle-united/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Well that’s the minimum bar for our adidas deal then. Anything less than what Leeds have would be extremely, extremely questionable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejs1111 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 5 hours ago, Czarnikjak said: I don't know. Perhaps they have some agreement with UEFA to provide them with high level figures for all clubs. Our accounts would have been signed off for a while now as we had to share them with premier league and uefa for FFP calculations. Anyway £214m is good...I was expecting something much closer to £200m imagine how much higher it would have been if Heck was able to sell those pesky 200 seats every match! #VillaFansOut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, thabucks said: Leeds Utd are 16th in the WORLD for shirt sales… Sobering and shows how far we need to go https://www.leedsallover.com/revealed-leeds-united-making-30m-from-shirt-sales-more-than-aston-villa-and-newcastle-united/ I think it shows that the money isn’t in the traditional revenue streams, such as bums on seats, shirt sales etc and we have to be more clever than that eith sponsorships and TV revenue etc. Which I’m sure is one of the reasons there has been a shift in senior, none football, oersonel. We have to move with the times and meet fire with fire, outside of the box thinking which we may not understand fully or be comfortable with. Ultimately winning football matches is still important though and will remain our goal for lots of reasons both emotionally and financially UTV!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 New Stadium = Beyonce = More Revenue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 9 hours ago, Czarnikjak said: I just read that Uefa report you mentioned and it scared me. Our wages jumped by 38% last season from £139m to £191m. We had extremely high ratio of wages to revenue. Based on that, I would expect player sales for big profit ( someone with zero or low net book value) before we can bring someone in. And apparently we made a loss of £118m! Doesn't bode well for this summer. All this rumours about selling JJ might have to come true. We will be selling at least one first team player for sure. Ramsey or Luiz maybe. Anyone who rejects the idea of that is living in some kind of fantasy land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiezels Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 9 hours ago, DakotaVilla said: Well that’s the minimum bar for our adidas deal then. Anything less than what Leeds have would be extremely, extremely questionable. Shirley thats because they sell more shirts not the brand of it. Even more reason to push into champs league, need to get the name out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said: We will be selling at least one first team player for sure. Ramsey or Luiz maybe. Anyone who rejects the idea of that is living in some kind of fantasy land. Go tell them on the transfer thread, I am continuously told we shouldn't or don't need to sell one of the very high value players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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