est1874 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tom13 said: Nah Emi needs to be as close to the forwards as possible. That's his game. 100% agree. Emi shouldn't be anywhere near a midfield 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 56 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Not sure Emi B will see it that way on the cusp of the Argentina squad in a world cup year. Maybe Coutinho could be convinced that's the case and we can get Buendia on the pitch to win us some games. Maybe we could but then as soon as Buendia starts getting more minutes and we lose some games it’s almost guaranteed it will be ‘Gerrard ain’t a clue, why the hell he not starting Coutinho’?! Seen it so many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, Tom13 said: Hmmm possibly talking moments in general, but Buendia's vision and through balls are better than Coutinho's. Not that Coutinho is bad in this area, but Buendia is exceptional at spotting and executing passes into forwards/dangerous areas. Yeah, Coutinho puts up similar numbers on that front as well, though I agree it's more Buendia's game. I meant more so scoring himself as obviously playing a great pass still requires the person on the other end to finish the job. Granted he's had a couple of dud moments in a Villa shirt but I would generally say he has the better end product and ability to score out of nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Maybe we could but then as soon as Buendia starts getting more minutes and we lose some games it’s almost guaranteed it will be ‘Gerrard ain’t a clue, why the hell he not starting Coutinho’?! Seen it so many times. Well. If Buendia is playing poorly and Coutinho keeps coming off the bench to be our best player, and keeps getting left out...yes, that would be annoying. Let's give it a go and see if it becomes a reality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gilbertoAVFC Posted July 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2022 Kind of mad to think we are debating who is better out of Buendia and Coutinho when four years ago it was probably Hourihane v Lansbury in the same position lol 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keyblade Posted July 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2022 Some people are really forcing it. You can debate if he's out best player or not, but I don't think there's any doubt that we have to fit him in the starting XI. This isn't because bench player syndrome or whatever other strawman, it's due to his performances when he does come off the bench or start a game. He's consistently among the best players on the pitch. He makes things happen for us. His starting place also doesn't have to be at the expense of Coutinho. Ideally we should fit both of them in the same lineup. But if we can only play one of them, I'm going with Buendia purely on merit. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Some people are really forcing it. You can debate if he's out best player or not, but I don't think there's any doubt that we have to fit him in the starting XI. This isn't because bench player syndrome or whatever other strawman, it's due to his performances when he does come off the bench or start a game. He's consistently among the best players on the pitch. He makes things happen for us. His starting place also doesn't have to be at the expense of Coutinho. Ideally we should fit both of them in the same lineup. But if we can only play one of them, I'm going with Buendia purely on merit. No reactions left but 100% agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Some people are really forcing it. You can debate if he's out best player or not, but I don't think there's any doubt that we have to fit him in the starting XI. This isn't because bench player syndrome or whatever other strawman, it's due to his performances when he does come off the bench or start a game. He's consistently among the best players on the pitch. He makes things happen for us. His starting place also doesn't have to be at the expense of Coutinho. Ideally we should fit both of them in the same lineup. But if we can only play one of them, I'm going with Buendia purely on merit. 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa87 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 At the very least he should be rotated in and start a good number of games. He cannot constantly play second fiddle to Coutinho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 FFS all we ever heard/read around SG’s appointment was that he always set up with two 10s. Comes here, has two amazing options for those positions and flipping persists with frigging Ings & Watkins up front!! Really, really, really hope that first half vs Man Poo is the death knell for that shite… both strikers been oh so poor since Ings was signed… never want to see that lineup again. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, Jas10 said: FFS all we ever heard/read around SG’s appointment was that he always set up with two 10s. Comes here, has two amazing options for those positions and flipping persists with frigging Ings & Watkins up front!! Really, really, really hope that first half vs Man Poo is the death knell for that shite… both strikers been oh so poor since Ings was signed… never want to see that lineup again. You know we are gonn see that lineup again, with mcginn as sidekick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest av1 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 I’ve said throughout this thread that I think Buendia is the best player at the club. If we’re playing a silly game of top trumps Coutinho would probably be technically better, but very very rarely do you find players that are technically brilliant that also work harder than anyone else on the pitch. I love the guy, first name on the team sheet imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Even Emi can't afford the new Castore kits for his family. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAGONZ_RULE Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 24/07/2022 at 00:39, WHY said: Emi is definitely talented but let’s look at the facts, he’s our record signing, some fans seem to forget this. At the moment I don’t believe he has justified his fee. When he plays fans say he isn’t playing in his best position, what is his best position, I genuinely have no idea. Does alright wherever he plays but hasn’t mastered one of them. He got 4 goals and 6 assists last season, again not great. Coutinho got 5 goals and 3 assists in a lot less game. Fans demanding he starts and saying he’s our best player need a reality check. I think he will prove his worth to the team but atm he’s in a fight with another 6/7 for a starting spot and rightly so. Coutinho got 3 goals and 3 assists in 3 games against Leeds (x2) and Southampton ... the teams that ran 19th and 17th for goals conceded last season. The other 16 games he played, he got 2 goals and 0 assists, 1 of which was in his very first game back when he came off the bench (which was actually created by Buendia with the excellent defence-splitting through ball for Ramsey to simply play across the box to PC). In terms of underlying playmaking stats last season (stats per Opta, the company which Premier League officially use for stats): Buendia 2.31 key passes per 90 Coutinho 1.70 key passes per 90 Buendia 0.38 big chances created per 90 Coutinho 0.34 big chances created per 90 And in terms of defensive stats last season: Buendia 3.32 tackles + interceptions per 90 Coutinho 1.89 tackles + interceptions per 90 Buendia 0.14 blocked shots per 90 Coutinho 0.07 blocked shots per 90 So Buendia outperformed Coutinho on per 90 stats in playmaking and defending. The only area he was behind Coutinho was goal-scoring specifically, and if you go back and look at Coutinho's goals last season 2 of his 5 goals came from massive deflections off defenders anyway (Leeds + Southampton). If it's purely a question of playing one of the two, Buendia's underlying stats were clearly superior to Coutinho's last season ... and he has easily outperformed him in pre-season so far as well. Ultimately, Gerrard should be finding a way to play both of them, as they are Villa's two best players. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 23/07/2022 at 16:26, WHY said: When he played RW he did nothing, like I said I think he will prove his worth but fans like yourself don’t help over hyping him, he’s done nothing to justify it. Look at the impact Jota and Diaz have had on Liverpool for less money than Buendia cost. If he had their type of impact I would get the hype but he hasn’t. I’m not disappointed in Emi btw, I think we just overpaid for him and he will be a good overall squad player. I’m not saying he shouldn’t start either but fans suggesting he should start every game and he’s our best player are a little wide of the mark atm. Luis Diaz cost 58 million and Jota cost 45 million so both cost more than Buendia and Jota first season at Liverpool wasnt spectacular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 18 hours ago, av1 said: I’ve said throughout this thread that I think Buendia is the best player at the club. If we’re playing a silly game of top trumps Coutinho would probably be technically better, but very very rarely do you find players that are technically brilliant that also work harder than anyone else on the pitch. I love the guy, first name on the team sheet imo. If we were any good at holding the ball then Coutinho is probably better but as we are very defensive team and are poor in possession then Buendia has to start for his workrate They can play together, good players can do that but the manager doesnt seem interested in trying it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rolta Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Zatman said: If we were any good at holding the ball then Coutinho is probably better but as we are very defensive team and are poor in possession then Buendia has to start for his workrate They can play together, good players can do that but the manager doesnt seem interested in trying it Literally the last competitive game we played: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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