chrisp65 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 It is tricky. You could argue the other way, yes it was legal. But he was a figure that became famous for supporting the NHS, so as an example to the rest of us, it was a terrible decision to take. But, if it’s legal, it’s legal. Perhaps the spotlight needs to be put on a government that insists its done everything humanly possible to limit the impact of a deadly virus, whilst also allowing foreign holidays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: It is tricky. You could argue the other way, yes it was legal. But he was a figure that became famous for supporting the NHS, so as an example to the rest of us, it was a terrible decision to take. But, if it’s legal, it’s legal. Perhaps the spotlight needs to be put on a government that insists its done everything humanly possible to limit the impact of a deadly virus, whilst also allowing foreign holidays. Chris do you think it was Tom who hopped on Expedia and booked the holiday or was it his primary care giver and entire support bubble that booked it. I feel, but am not sure, that it was the latter. The internet (not you) is raging that a 100 year old man went on holiday with the people that look after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Seat68 said: Chris do you think it was Tom who hopped on Expedia and booked the holiday or was it his primary care giver and entire support bubble that booked it. I feel, but am not sure, that it was the latter. The internet (not you) is raging that a 100 year old man went on holiday with the people that look after him. I genuinely have no idea who’s idea it was, what links he has with Barbados, what logistics were involved, or how much of a bubble was moved across the world. Personally, I’m not ‘raging’ about it. But for me, it was a spectacular misstep, given the circumstances of his fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 minute ago, chrisp65 said: I genuinely have no idea who’s idea it was, what links he has with Barbados, what logistics were involved, or how much of a bubble was moved across the world. Personally, I’m not ‘raging’ about it. But for me, it was a spectacular misstep, given the circumstances of his fame. Agreed. In no way am I implying that you are even close to rage. His family were quite foolish to do it. from a health perspective and how foreign luxury travel is perceived at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 2, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 2, 2021 28 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: You could argue the other way, yes it was legal. But he was a figure that became famous for supporting the NHS, so as an example to the rest of us, it was a terrible decision to take. I absolutely detest this type of argument, or line of thinking. It's far too common. He was an ordinary (in terms of "fame") elderly man, who decided to raise a few quid for the NHS. A thoroughly good thing. That his efforts became mainstream news and snowballed and gained millions in donations to his just giving page (or whatever he set up) was completely unexpected by him. That others associate him with "supporting the NHS and therefore shouldn't go on holiday because he raised some money" is just bonkers. It's fine if people think folk going on holiday (for the final time, in his case and he probably knew it would be) is on balance not a great thing to do, then I'm fine with that. But "because I associate him with the NHS" is an awful, awful take. It's the same as the stuff that anyone with any money, or who lives in a big house, gets thrown at them if they say they vote Labour, for example. Champagne Socialist. I mean you can have a life, which goes well and gets you money or a free holiday and still vote Labour, or raise money for the NHS. How can you campaign for asylum seeker rights, when you haven't taken I na refugee to live with you? How can you go on holiday when you are seen as an NHS supporter? Absolutely mad. Grrrr. Sorry @chrisp65 - it's not aimed at you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 No problem @blandy it’s all discussion. Always good to see if an idea written down stands up to scrutiny. It’s more difficult to separate the two in mind. I’d be more upset with Greta Thurnberg fly tipping than if it was Jeremy Clarkson. But this is all a side discussion, not the main point about the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welnik Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 2 hours ago, wilko154 said: I reluctantly take my 50 points along with @welnik RIP Captain Tom Moore, a true British hero. On the one hand, boom, I'm up and running! On the other, it's a bit shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2021 Anyone hear any clapping tonight then? I didn’t listen out for it round my way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: Anyone hear any clapping tonight then? I didn’t listen out for it round my way. Yeah clapping in my street in stafford. Heard mutterings about them words removed at 26. **** em. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 3, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: Anyone hear any clapping tonight then? I didn’t listen out for it round my way. I happenned to have the misfortune of being in the supermarket doing the weekly shop and all the staff gathered by the door and clapped but only when enough people had their cameras out for Social Media purposes. The missus was sort of half heartedly clapping for appearances sake, I carried on shopping while she glared at me and muttered something under her breath about a tin of Quality Street (provided courtesy of Capt Tom), I then said quietly that I never ate one of them and they are still there from two weeks before xmas so obviously she wasn't that enamoured either 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) Well I've just chucked a grenade into our local FB group, after somebody posted: Quote Disgusted no one out clapping for Sir Tom. Only myself n next door My response was: Quote My admiration for Sir Tom knew no bounds. But enough of this stupid clapping fad. Sorry if that offends people, but it needs saying. I waited for a backlash, but got overwhelming support. No 'sad', no 'wow', no 'angry'. 30 'likes' and 5 'loves'. So I thought I'd better push a bit harder: Quote I'm wary about stirring party politics into this group, but I feel I must say this. If anybody who has been clapping REALLY cares about the NHS, then please NEVER vote Conservative again. Still all positive reactions, but I finally flushed out a Tory: Quote Mike Mooney I would be more wary. Wary to the point where I would rethink my post. Quote Mike Mooney thought you weren’t making this political! In that case Boris is the best prime minister since Churchill. Me: Quote OK. Let's put your comment and mine to the vote. Over a hundred thousand dead, and the NHS on its knees. Churchill my arse. Him: Quote You think any prime minister would have done better..... that nutter Corbin would have dissolved the country Me: Quote Yeah... but Corbyn, eh? Edited February 3, 2021 by mjmooney 8 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2021 It's still going on. I have to give Tory boy his due, he's hanging in there despite being outnumbered about fifty to one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I was driving home from work and saw a fair few people out clapping . I think giving him a knighthood was a bit much and talk of a statue is over the top , but equally his family should be proud tonight that he’d touched people to the point they felt he was worth a send off . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted February 4, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 4, 2021 How about instead of building a statue, one of the new hospitals is named after him? Seems like it would be more appropriate with what he achieved. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 10 hours ago, tonyh29 said: I was driving home from work and saw a fair few people out clapping . I think giving him a knighthood was a bit much and talk of a statue is over the top , but equally his family should be proud tonight that he’d touched people to the point they felt he was worth a send off . I’m not in favour of gongs in principal. But if some chunt in industry can get a knighthood for lining his pockets with loot, and donating to the Tory coffers, then I don’t have a problem with the Captain getting one for helping those other than himself. Still don’t like the whole gong thing though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 5, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 5, 2021 ANyone have Christopher Plummer from the Sound of Music? Oldest actor to win an Oscar dies at 91 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 21:44, theunderstudy said: Charlie Sheen Christopher Plummer Betty White Donald Trump Ozzy Osborne (Sidney Poitier is my secret 6th choice) One down! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 22 minutes ago, bickster said: ANyone have Christopher Plummer from the Sound of Music? Oldest actor to win an Oscar dies at 91 Yep. Max Von Sydow was gone so it was guaranteed that discount MVS would be following 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 5, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, theunderstudy said: Yep. Max Von Sydow was gone so it was guaranteed that discount MVS would be following ii seems you were not alone as @Paddywhackhad him too. Points shared 50 pts each 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 Have we worked out who won last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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