I Make Pies Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 For comparison, it took the Chelsea U18s 5 years to reach their first Youth Cup final after the Abramovich takeover and it took Man City 7 years after the Abu Dhabi takeover. Both clubs have dominated the competition since then but haven't featured in each of the last 3 finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 It's interesting that Wilson's back/still in the u18s. He came to us as a very highly rated kid. Smashing it there, but he needs to do that in the next age group up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cizzler Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 On 25/08/2023 at 14:17, HanoiVillan said: It *is* depressing, but if we consider our peer group to be the best sides in the league, then a maximum of 1-2 academy players being prominent in the first team squad is the norm: Man Utd: 2 - Rashford, Garnacho Man City: 1.5 - Foden, Palmer though he's apparently being sold Chelsea: 1 - James Arsenal: 1 - Saka Liverpool: 1 main one in TAA, they do have a few others (Jones, Bajcetic etc) but they're not starters in the strongest sides Newcastle: 2 - Anderson, Longstaff, but neither start in their strongest XI Spurs: 0 now that Kane is gone We have 1. It's not out of step with the others. Having 3 or 4 would be the weird thing. Missed loads of players “in the first team squad” United: Henderson, McTominay and Dalot all key members of squad City: Rico Lewis Chelsea: Gallagher and Colwill have started every game for them this season? Broja/Chalobah will be part of the first team squad this season. Arsenal: Again, Nketiah and Martinelli have started every game this year. Smith-Rowe and Reiss Nelson are part of the first-team squad. Spurs: Skipp started first game of the season, clearly key part of first team squad. Will re-iterate it’s a massive shame we sold Aaron Ramsey - really thought he had a great chance at a crack here (especially with Buendia’s injury). The Archer move I understand more. Played well in the Championship and clearly a clinical finisher, but I think our current system demands better hold-up play. I can’t see him being ready to play that role for a while yet (if ever). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 Amidst the loss, nice to see that Jimoh and Borland have at least had formal confirmations, even though they've both been Villa players for some time now: Borland made his U18 debut a week ago, and both came off the bench today. https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/26/villa-sign-academy-duo/ Quote Aston Villa is pleased to announce the signings of Jamaldeen Jimoh and Aidan Borland from West Bromwich Albion and Celtic respectively. Jimoh is a central midfielder who has represented England at youth level. Borland is also a midfielder who has played for Scotland’s Under-17s Academy Manager Mark Harrison said: “Jamaldeen is a good ball manager who can be effective in and around both penalty boxes. We are delighted Jamal has joined us as there was a lot of competition for his signature. “We look forward to working with Jamal and supporting him to fulfil his potential.” On Borland, Harrison added: “Aidan is very dynamic and can manage the ball effectively. We are very pleased Aidan has joined us, as we know there was a lot of interest in him. “The staff are very much looking forward to working with him and helping him develop into a future first-team footballer.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Cizzler said: Missed loads of players “in the first team squad” United: Henderson, McTominay and Dalot all key members of squad City: Rico Lewis Chelsea: Gallagher and Colwill have started every game for them this season? Broja/Chalobah will be part of the first team squad this season. Arsenal: Again, Nketiah and Martinelli have started every game this year. Smith-Rowe and Reiss Nelson are part of the first-team squad. Spurs: Skipp started first game of the season, clearly key part of first team squad. Will re-iterate it’s a massive shame we sold Aaron Ramsey - really thought he had a great chance at a crack here (especially with Buendia’s injury). The Archer move I understand more. Played well in the Championship and clearly a clinical finisher, but I think our current system demands better hold-up play. I can’t see him being ready to play that role for a while yet (if ever). Erm, Dalot and Martinelli?!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: Erm, Dalot and Martinelli?!? They were signed at 18 so count as homegrown players I believe. But they aren't products of the youth academy anymore than Duran is for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 The reason we haven't produced many first team players recently is because up until takeover the academy wasn't very good, that's the whole point of all the changes that have been made, but those changes haven't been in place long enough for us to see the full benefits at first team level, takes years and years for that to happen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Cizzler said: Missed loads of players “in the first team squad” United: Henderson, McTominay and Dalot all key members of squad City: Rico Lewis Chelsea: Gallagher and Colwill have started every game for them this season? Broja/Chalobah will be part of the first team squad this season. Arsenal: Again, Nketiah and Martinelli have started every game this year. Smith-Rowe and Reiss Nelson are part of the first-team squad. Spurs: Skipp started first game of the season, clearly key part of first team squad. Will re-iterate it’s a massive shame we sold Aaron Ramsey - really thought he had a great chance at a crack here (especially with Buendia’s injury). The Archer move I understand more. Played well in the Championship and clearly a clinical finisher, but I think our current system demands better hold-up play. I can’t see him being ready to play that role for a while yet (if ever). Well what I said was 'prominent in the first team squad'. Keinan Davis is in our squad, but it would be absurd to include him. Of the players you've listed, most have been linked with moves away this summer (Henderson, McTominay, Gallagher, Broja, Chalobah, Nketiah has had some rumours), though I will spot you most of the others. Even then though, Skipp, Lewis and Dalot all aren't in the strongest XIs. EDIT: Also as per previous responses Dalot doesn't count anyway as he didn't come through their academy. Edited August 26, 2023 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 According to official site we had player on the bench yesterday called Jiman-Amara, soccerway had him down as 'Jamil Jiman-Amara', other than a link to the soccerway page googling the name doens't bring up any results, so presumably they mean Jamal Jimoh-Aloba, but strange mistake for the official site to make. If it was Jimoh then then he made his debut in the second half, I guess as a positive could say we drew that half 1-1, for a 5-1 defeat actually sounded quite even other than a five minute spell towards the first half when Chelsea scored three goals. Jimoh will probably be playing for the U21s before long, as top talent to begin with who has been used to play a an age group or two up, but also exactly the type of midfleder they need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 32 minutes ago, useless said: According to official site we had player on the bench yesterday called Jiman-Amara, soccerway had him down as 'Jamil Jiman-Amara', other than a link to the soccerway page googling the name doens't bring up any results, so presumably they mean Jamal Jimoh-Aloba, but strange mistake for the official site to make. If it was Jimoh then then he made his debut in the second half, I guess as a positive could say we drew that half 1-1, for a 5-1 defeat actually sounded quite even other than a five minute spell towards the first half when Chelsea scored three goals. Jimoh will probably be playing for the U21s before long, as top talent to begin with who has been used to play a an age group or two up, but also exactly the type of midfleder they need Unless this guy made the same assumptions you did, he made his debut, saw it on my timeline at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 hour ago, useless said: According to official site we had player on the bench yesterday called Jiman-Amara, soccerway had him down as 'Jamil Jiman-Amara', other than a link to the soccerway page googling the name doens't bring up any results, so presumably they mean Jamal Jimoh-Aloba, but strange mistake for the official site to make. If it was Jimoh then then he made his debut in the second half, I guess as a positive could say we drew that half 1-1, for a 5-1 defeat actually sounded quite even other than a five minute spell towards the first half when Chelsea scored three goals. Jimoh will probably be playing for the U21s before long, as top talent to begin with who has been used to play a an age group or two up, but also exactly the type of midfleder they need Let’s not forget the official site is useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Watching kellyman tonight, where's kadan young? Guessing injured cos he'd probably be in and around the team for this competition too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) Playing Leeds in the Premier League Cup Sam Proctor, Thierry Katsukunya, Jack McDowell, Nile Timson, Rodrigo Fortes, Aidan Borland, Ewan Simpson, Charlie Pavey, Luka Lynch, Cole Brannigan, Rory Wilson Subs: James Wright, Calum Moreland, Ilani Edwards, Jamaldeen Jimoh, Trai'varn Mulley Edited September 2, 2023 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Finished 1-0 to us, Luka Lynch with the goal, seems like we should have scored more as had seventeen shots ten of those on target. Good win as Leeds top of Premier League North. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 U16s also played Leeds in their version of the Premier League Cup, they won 4-2, don't know scorer details, Vinnie Hayward and Markie Meade both got an assist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, useless said: U16s also played Leeds in their version of the Premier League Cup, they won 4-2, don't know scorer details, Vinnie Hayward and Markie Meade both got an assist. They as in our U16s or they as in Leeedz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) Our U16s won 4-2 Edited September 2, 2023 by useless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 7 hours ago, useless said: Thierry Katsukunya, The FIFA regen names are back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chine Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Our u9s - 11s - 13s hosted Walsall , Shrewsbury and Stoke at BMH this morning , goals flying in all over the place , our u13s missed lots of early chances v Stoke and ended up 2-0 down after 15 mins but they eventually rolled out 7-2 winners.UTV 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 Just been thinking about how the academy is doing its job pretty well. We have got one player to the Prem in every age range between 19 and 22. JJ 22 Archer 21 AJ 20 and Chuk 19. And in the champ we have Philogene 21 Revan and Kesler 20 . All of those bar Jaden started with us between u6 and u11. It shows that its not just about us buying the best youth at 16. We also have real talent in the academy from a v young age. Which will only increase . The youngsters are better coached at younger ages and we get better and better talent during the u17 intake. Well on the way to being one of the v best elite academies in the nation. To be put alongside Man City Chelsea and Arsenal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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