Nigel Posted July 13, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: The flip side to that is big contracts are coming, not only because of general football inflation but because we are increasing the average wage of the squad every summer The interesting with the barca link is last summer they moriba because they wouldn't pay him, he was on £25k a week from 16 and supposedly wanted around £150k a week which sounds mad... But in the context of the average wage at barca is £210k a week, one player earns over £1m a week and a few more earn over £500k a week it suddenly doesn't sound so mad Villa will have and maybe should pay him in accordance with his role at the club, not on his age and experience If he's going to play more games than sanson maybe he should earn more than sanson? That's £50k a week That's why I personally think he's waiting, every window the wages at villa go up A good point. It will open flood doors if it happens though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, villa4europe said: The flip side to that is big contracts are coming, not only because of general football inflation but because we are increasing the average wage of the squad every summer The interesting with the barca link is last summer they moriba because they wouldn't pay him, he was on £25k a week from 16 and supposedly wanted around £150k a week which sounds mad... But in the context of the average wage at barca is £210k a week, one player earns over £1m a week and a few more earn over £500k a week it suddenly doesn't sound so mad Villa will have and maybe should pay him in accordance with his role at the club, not on his age and experience If he's going to play more games than sanson maybe he should earn more than sanson? That's £50k a week That's why I personally think he's waiting, every window the wages at villa go up And that's the reason Barca are in the shit they are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 He’s allowed a break following the U19 tournament win. I’m sure we will get an answer soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d821mc Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 The amount of criticism he receives on here is insane. He hasn't said he wants to leave. Everyone is just making assumptions. Its because he is so good that he will have so many options that the decision is so tough. If he wasn't so good, then it is much easier as far few offers. It is rare that you see kids look so dominant in their age groups. Yes he hasn't taken the first team by storm yet but he is also up against some very seasoned professionals. He has been caught in the cross fire between the desire to win now and the need to build for the future. Once we couldn't finish in the top 7/8 Gerrard should have given the kids like CC far more playing time. It is so tough to expect young kids to come off the bench and change a game. There are so few players who have the calmness and time in possession that he has. He will be an absolute superstar. We cannot afford to lose him for peanuts at this stage. I know everyone is worried about the precedent it sets in terms of other youth players but he is too valuable to let go if it is a decision coming down purely to money. The minute he signs a new contract he will be worth at least £20m+. He has the upside to be worth some crazy figures. Home grown 18 year old superstars dont come along every year. You can see how important the home grown factor is in the recent Williams and Collins transfers. Everyone tries to sugarcoat it saying he isnt all that etc. He is a ridiculous talent and to lose him at this stage of the journey would be a disaster. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, d821mc said: The amount of criticism he receives on here is insane. He hasn't said he wants to leave. Everyone is just making assumptions. Its because he is so good that he will have so many options that the decision is so tough. If he wasn't so good, then it is much easier as far few offers. It is rare that you see kids look so dominant in their age groups. Yes he hasn't taken the first team by storm yet but he is also up against some very seasoned professionals. He has been caught in the cross fire between the desire to win now and the need to build for the future. Once we couldn't finish in the top 7/8 Gerrard should have given the kids like CC far more playing time. It is so tough to expect young kids to come off the bench and change a game. There are so few players who have the calmness and time in possession that he has. He will be an absolute superstar. We cannot afford to lose him for peanuts at this stage. I know everyone is worried about the precedent it sets in terms of other youth players but he is too valuable to let go if it is a decision coming down purely to money. The minute he signs a new contract he will be worth at least £20m+. He has the upside to be worth some crazy figures. Home grown 18 year old superstars dont come along every year. You can see how important the home grown factor is in the recent Williams and Collins transfers. Everyone tries to sugarcoat it saying he isnt all that etc. He is a ridiculous talent and to lose him at this stage of the journey would be a disaster. Or maybe that’s just what people think of him? I like him and I think he is a great talent with so much potential. But all this superstar stuff is way too premature in my opinion. I personally haven’t seen enough to suggest this just yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Just now, Vive_La_Villa said: Or maybe that’s just what people think of him? I like him and I think he is a great talent with so much potential. But all this superstar stuff is way too premature in my opinion. I personally haven’t seen enough to suggest this just yet but I have seen nothing from him that thinks he is a superstar already or that he has a rampant ego as some seem to suggest I think is a bit of bitterness from some fans about this which is fair enough but as somebody said if he wasnt very good and was released nobody would have cared 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Or maybe that’s just what people think of him? I like him and I think he is a great talent with so much potential. But all this superstar stuff is way too premature in my opinion. I personally haven’t seen enough to suggest this just yet I agree. But lets be honest, the only reason people are so down on him right now is because he might leave. If he was tied down, everyone would be singing his praises, deserved or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Just now, Zatman said: but I have seen nothing from him that thinks he is a superstar already or that he has a rampant ego as some seem to suggest I think is a bit of bitterness from some fans about this which is fair enough but as somebody said if he wasnt very good and was released nobody would have cared I agree with this. Seems quite humble if anything and clearly very religious. He probably just wants what will be best for him and family. Cant begrudge him that. However if there comes a time where it’s clear he won’t be signing a new contract no point involving him in next seasons plans. I honestly don’t care either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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villa4europe Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Zatman said: but I have seen nothing from him that thinks he is a superstar already or that he has a rampant ego as some seem to suggest I think is a bit of bitterness from some fans about this which is fair enough but as somebody said if he wasnt very good and was released nobody would have cared Exactly this The billy big bollocks stuff is coming from fans not from him, he's said absolutely nothing, even Gerrard and the club have said very little, the various articles that there are contain the usual rehashing of other articles and a lot of wishy washy stuff, there's next to nothing of any substance anywhere on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 minute ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: classic Gregg, on the button as always Just 5 pages on it from this forum in the last day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: clearing in the woods Shit like that doesn't help, knows exactly what he's doing and who it will rile up Ramsey and Tim aren't in oz either Edit - 4 comments in "**** him" Its just nonsense Edited July 13, 2022 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Quote Ramsey and Ireogbunam, meanwhile, are currently alongside Steven Gerrard’s first-team group out on the Gold Coast having arrived last week following their success with England. This was in Preece's article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 even if he signs a contract with us it's clearly out of sheer reluctance or he's forced us into giving him too much money, so **** him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Has he just made up the Ramsey and Tim part or have they really gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 31 minutes ago, d821mc said: Everyone tries to sugarcoat it saying he isnt all that etc. He is a ridiculous talent and to lose him at this stage of the journey would be a disaster. I actually haven't tried to " sugarcoat " anything. I saw more with JJ and Tim than I have from him at this stage for me to be overawed. As has been mentioned many times, he's physically more developed than pretty much all the kids he " dominates" against. Again, currently I could see him tearing it up in slower European leagues, I still don't see the effectiveness for the PL. YET This could obviously change , or maybe I just haven't seen enough of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Rodders said: It's clearly out of sheer reluctance or he's forced us into giving him too much money If he signs a contract with us it will be one he's happy with. If he manages to get a bigger pay rise then fair play to him, he's played it well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonho Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Post just on avfc Facebook with Gerrard, he said that he hasn’t signed a contract that has been with him for a while so Steve made the decision to leave him in the UK. Hause is recovering from surgery and Anwar is expecting his first child, everyone else is there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, villa4europe said: clearing in the woods Shit like that doesn't help, knows exactly what he's doing and who it will rile up Ramsey and Tim aren't in oz either Edit - 4 comments in "**** him" Its just nonsense I hate Gregg but Gerrard said on the interview from the official website today that Chuck isn’t in Australia because he hasn’t signed the contract so I’m not seeing the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: Why do I always read Greggs tweets like he’s gloating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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