abdulaziz1 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, omariqy said: Chances are that at least one of those won't happen and that's us done Could be made up with getting some against Arsenal. Another thing is that Man City qualifying isn’t a direct effect. Southampton could be changed by Everton. Still a lot a variables, but what I’ve mentioned was the best possible scenario. The better one is us to win against Arsenal and to have an upper hand before the last game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Villastine said: I still believe. Villa supporters deserve to stay up I really think our team isn’t as bad as the table suggest. We had a lot of games such as yesterday. Doesn’t show the real performance. Which affect results and upcoming performances. I think our worst part was not getting enough draws. For example: Palace a, Arsenal a, Liverpool h, Bournemouth a, Spurs h. All of these could’ve easily been draws. Add to that, Chelsea h, Wolves h. If only half of that ended as draws things would’ve been much different. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Zatman said: Was between New Years and lockdown that **** us. Winnable games that at worse we could have drawn. I think rest of the season we were ok without being anything special The period where Drinkwater started every game was pretty much what doomed us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchnry Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 We need a point at Arsenal or we’re relegated, that’s right isn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, mrchnry said: We need a point at Arsenal or we’re relegated, that’s right isn’t it? Depends on Watford. If they got hammered next 2 games then we could be 3 points behind with 1 game to go and a closer goal difference. But realistically it’s beat Arsenal or go down really. Edited July 17, 2020 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, mrchnry said: We need a point at Arsenal or we’re relegated, that’s right isn’t it? Tomorrow result is crucial. Then Bournemouth will play Southampton before our game with Arsenal. Same goes with Watford and Man City. We’ll have a clear view before we kick a ball against Arsenal. However, any result tomorrow apart from a West Ham win means we need something against Arsenal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted July 17, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, mrchnry said: We need a point at Arsenal or we’re relegated, that’s right isn’t it? Only if West Ham and Watford draw. If either win, then we can still stay up on 34 points and a swing in GD. A pretty big swing would be needed compared to West Ham - they could lose 6 goals between Watford and Man Utd and we’d still have to beat them by 3, for example. With Watford it’s more conceivable that the GD would be overturned if they lost all 3 matches, but chasing them would be out of our hands. We’re also assuming, just because we have to, that Bournemouth get to 34 points (and -2 GD) or fewer. Basically, we want one of Watford and West Ham to win. Which one is down to personal preference. If that happens, we could potentially still stay up after losing to Arsenal, as unlikely as it may be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, fightoffyour said: Only if West Ham and Watford draw. If either win, then we can still stay up on 34 points and a swing in GD. A pretty big swing would be needed compared to West Ham - they could lose 6 goals between Watford and Man Utd and we’d still have to beat them by 3, for example. With Watford it’s more conceivable that the GD would be overturned if they lost all 3 matches, but chasing them would be out of our hands. We’re also assuming, just because we have to, that Bournemouth get to 34 points (and -2 GD) or fewer. Basically, we want one of Watford and West Ham to win. Which one is down to personal preference. If that happens, we could potentially still stay up after losing to Arsenal, as unlikely as it may be. Hoping for a West Ham win. Need them to be safe on the last day. Going into the last 2 games: West Ham - 37 points Watford - 34 points Villa - 31 points Bournemouth - 31 points A draw against Arsenal could be huge. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted July 17, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Keyblade said: Hoping for a West Ham win. Need them to be safe on the last day. Going into the last 2 games: West Ham - 37 points Watford - 34 points Villa - 31 points Bournemouth - 31 points A draw against Arsenal could be huge. I’m going for a Watford win myself, since I can see them getting something against Arsenal themselves. Would be awful to beat West Ham and still go down, even if it is with 34/35 points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, fightoffyour said: I’m going for a Watford win myself, since I can see them getting something against Arsenal themselves. Would be awful to beat West Ham and still go down, even if it is with 34/35 points. I don't think my heart could take a straight shoot out with West Ham. We'd probably lose that handily too. If Watford take a point against Arsenal, it should be fine as long as we do too. Really hope City give em a throwback thrashing. Another 8-0 would do just fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottaloo Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 If we beat arsenal then i will change my name to Sir Cyril Shagnasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Kuwabatake Sanjuro said: The period where Drinkwater started every game was pretty much what doomed us. We got 4 points in them 4 games in spite of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted July 17, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17, 2020 I thought we were down already before the Palace game, it's most likely we're down now but I have a bit more hope looking at how we've played in spells int he last two. Midfield playing very well at times, our gambles on signing strikers this season just haven't worked though and Davis for all his good work still hasn't hit the back of the net. I hope the way we conceded late doesn't take too much wind out their sails, playing as we are we might be able to get a result against Arsenal but they will need to be off the pace and have a bad day. Realistically only a win will do and we still need some pretty big favours from other teams... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 We gotta be looking at it like this, win the next 2 and we're safe. 2 of the 3 teams aren't getting 37 points, and if 1 of them happens to be Watford, we'll likely have a better goal difference. Team needs to go into these games thinking they need to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I think Arsenal are beatable but we need the right attitude and hopefully they beat City in FA Cup to distract them. In turn this will piss City off for the Watford game 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 A draw tonight would be awful now. We need one of west ham or watford to smash the other. Give us a chance of a draw at arsenal and beating west ham being enough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Let's focus on which result would be best for us tonight, rather than on last night's game and on whether we can actually get the points that we would need to stay up, whatever the result is tonight. West Ham win - We cannot realistically catch them. They would be 6 points clear of us and they would have a minimum of a 13-goal difference advantage over us. Watford would have at best a 5-goal difference advantage over us. We would need a minimum of one win, to draw level with them on points and would also need to see them lose by a combined margin of 5 goals or more against Manchester City and Arsenal. We would need 4 points from our last two games, should they draw a game, or lose both, but maintain their goal difference advantage over us. If they won one, the chances are their goal difference would keep them up. Watford win - We would need to win our last two games and for them to lose against both Manchester City and Arsenal, we would also need to see their goal difference advantage over us evaporate. West Ham would be level with us on points on the last day, should they lose at Manchester United and we beat Arsenal. A win for us would send them down, even if they got a point at Manchester United. Draw - We would need to beat Arsenal and for West Ham to fail to beat Manchester United, to take our season to the last day. We would then need to win at West Ham, to send them down. We would need 4 points and to make up the 6-goal advantage Watford presently have over us, to finish above them, should they lose their last two games. If Watford were to draw one of those two games, we would need then two wins, to send them down. By the way, we will also need to better the results that Bournemouth get against Southampton and Everton, or match them and also make up the present 2-goal advantage they have over us goal difference wise. Things would have seemed so much rosier, had we clung on to all three points last night. If only we were now only a point behind both Watford and West Ham, as well as two points clear of Bournemouth. Edited July 17, 2020 by John 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Best result for us from tonight's game would be an heavy defeat for Watford, as they're closer to us in terms of goal difference and are much more catchable in that regard than West Ham, that would put them closer and would mean that West Ham would be virtually safe so would hopefully make a little less determinded on the last day of the season. Also there's still a small chance we could catch Watford with just three more points, wouldn't take the most bizzare set of results, can't say the same for catching West Ham if they lose tonight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Watford and west ham will play out a dtaw im sure of that. Has 0-0 all over it. We blew it yet again and have no one but ourselves to blame. Too many bottlers and wimps in this team. We need to sign some hard bastards in the summer with passion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Watford and west ham will play out a dtaw im sure of that. Has 0-0 all over it. We blew it yet again and have no one but ourselves to blame. Too many bottlers and wimps in this team. We need to sign some hard bastards in the summer with passion I don't think passion stopped us last night. Lack of quality has always been the major issue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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