HanoiVillan Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Chindie said: Yeah but Britain just so happens to have had the highest number of people likely to die soon anyway in Europe. So there. I mean, to be serious about it, there are reasonable arguments against putting too much weight on just the total number who have died, as opposed to per capita figures or excess mortality, but just to not even mention it seems a bit off. Just run an article stating it, and then offer alternative explanations as necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 5, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 5, 2020 Hancock being a clearing in the woods. He doesn't seem to have a badge showing that he represents being a clearing in the woods yet, unlike his representing the NHS brand. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 37 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: . There is no way he was close to dying 2 weeks ago. No **** way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 5, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 5, 2020 26 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I mean, to be serious about it, there are reasonable arguments against putting too much weight on just the total number who have died, as opposed to per capita figures or excess mortality, but just to not even mention it seems a bit off. Just run an article stating it, and then offer alternative explanations as necessary. Absolutely. Total death toll can't be seen as the only comparison. But having the largest on a particular continent also can't be ignored. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Chindie said: Hancock being a clearing in the woods. He doesn't seem to have a badge showing that he represents being a clearing in the woods yet, unlike his representing the NHS brand. How dare she speak passionately as a voice of the front line watching people die as a result of poor government planning. Watch your tone indeed lady or you’ll be arrt. Would he have told a male to watch his tone? I highly doubt it. Edit: someone tweeted exactly how I felt. Edited May 5, 2020 by Genie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 I wonder what their agenda is on the day we become the worst in Europe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 5, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 minute ago, DCJonah said: I wonder what their agenda is on the day we become the worst in Europe. Genuine question (not necessarily to you DCJ), why is the majority of the opposition to the lockdown I see, both here and the US, from right wing leaning people or media? What's the connection? Even before Coronavirus exploded, a lot of the people denying it was anything to worry about seemed to be pro Brexit, Conservative voters. It's all anecdotal evidence. maybe it's just confirmation bias on my part 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Genuine question (not necessarily to you DCJ), why is the majority of the opposition to the lockdown I see, both here and the US, from right wing leaning people or media? What's the connection? Even before Coronavirus exploded, a lot of the people denying it was anything to worry about seemed to be pro Brexit, Conservative voters. It's all anecdotal evidence. maybe it's just confirmation bias on my part I agree 100% it really does come from them. I imagine some of it is that individual billionaires control a lot of the right wing media, and i imagine their interests are more lined to the economy than the health of the general public. Also I think the lockdown represents a loss of freedom and we know the right wing, especially in America, can't be seen to allow that to happen. Edited May 5, 2020 by DCJonah 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 The Hancock moment that will never leave me is when, early on in this, he got up to the podium and simply had to give his thanks to GlaxoSmithKline. Said it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted May 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2020 38 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Genuine question (not necessarily to you DCJ), why is the majority of the opposition to the lockdown I see, both here and the US, from right wing leaning people or media? What's the connection? Even before Coronavirus exploded, a lot of the people denying it was anything to worry about seemed to be pro Brexit, Conservative voters. It's all anecdotal evidence. maybe it's just confirmation bias on my part I think it’s that misplaced connection between ‘the right’ and individual freedom of choice. I think they would see any sort of community or organised social action as the mildest start of the slippery slope to control and eventually the creeping spectre of socialism. See also, NHS, paying in to a system that might benefit others more than yourself. Why would any independent free person in a capitalist society pay tax of any description or do anything that might actually be more for the benefit of others than yourself. What’s in it for me to close my shop? What’s in it for me, for your nan to get cheap medicine? What’s in it for me, to be stopped from going to my holiday home until this blows over? Quite ironic, that they would prefer herd immunity. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 42 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Genuine question (not necessarily to you DCJ), why is the majority of the opposition to the lockdown I see, both here and the US, from right wing leaning people or media? What's the connection? Even before Coronavirus exploded, a lot of the people denying it was anything to worry about seemed to be pro Brexit, Conservative voters. It's all anecdotal evidence. maybe it's just confirmation bias on my part I think that's a complicated question with multiple answers. Clearly part of the reason is that Donald Trump is heading into an election campaign, with low approval ratings and few undecided voters, and the one good story to tell being the economy. Since he spends large parts of his day watching cable news and then tweeting about what he's watching, the already-large conservative media ecosystem has dedicated itself to telling him what he wants to hear, more or less explicitly. It's presumably also partly because taking coronavirus seriously seems bad for business, and lots of people are worried about their stock portfolios and dividends. That corporate America is concerned about this can be seen by the speed and ease with which climate-deniallist scientists have switched to coronavirus-skeptics. And maybe there's also some element of '**** the so-called experts' that also motivated certain voting behaviours in the last five years. However, these are just partial explanations and I'm sure people would disagree or want to add others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted May 5, 2020 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2020 49 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Genuine question (not necessarily to you DCJ), why is the majority of the opposition to the lockdown I see, both here and the US, from right wing leaning people or media? What's the connection? Even before Coronavirus exploded, a lot of the people denying it was anything to worry about seemed to be pro Brexit, Conservative voters. It's all anecdotal evidence. maybe it's just confirmation bias on my part Good question. I suspect that an element of it is from a take that personal freedom and personal choice and individual rights take precedent over state "interference" or state "control". Another part may be a right wing view that the economy should dictate. Another part maybe that some right wing people are quite prone to disbelieving anything the state says - they don't trust the state/deep state (especially in murica). There may be an element of not giving a damn about other people they don't know - I'm all right jack, though I'd love to go to the pub/theatre. There' also a tendency amongst some to be quite nationalist - I'm American/English and I am not a weak continental and the virus can't get me because of that. A sort of imagined exceptionalism. Oh, and quite a lot of them are massive bell ends. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 5, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: I wonder what their agenda is on the day we become the worst in Europe. reads like a copy of Völkischer Beobachter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, blandy said: Good question. I suspect that an element of it is from a take that personal freedom and personal choice and individual rights take precedent over state "interference" or state "control". Another part may be a right wing view that the economy should dictate. Another part maybe that some right wing people are quite prone to disbelieving anything the state says - they don't trust the state/deep state (especially in murica). There may be an element of not giving a damn about other people they don't know - I'm all right jack, though I'd love to go to the pub/theatre. There' also a tendency amongst some to be quite nationalist - I'm American/English and I am not a weak continental and the virus can't get me because of that. A sort of imagined exceptionalism. Oh, and quite a lot of them are massive bell ends. & quite a lot will just be normal people who want to see their families/go to work & are now being called right wing because of this opinion because it differs from what the left echo bubble deems to be right... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 can't wait to hear your thoughts on Michael Goves bookshelf snowychap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: & quite a lot will just be normal people who want to see their families/go to work & are now being called right wing because of this opinion because it differs from what the left echo bubble deems to be right... I would say its pretty right wing to dismiss lives of certain people and push the idea that they would have died anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 5, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: are now being called right wing... because it differs from what the left echo bubble deems to be right Just so you realise what you actually said 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Is the one with the bald head the right wing one ? Or the girl with flowers in her hair? Or Corbyns brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bickster said: Just so you realise what you actually said I know exactly what i said. If you do not agreee 100% with the twitter left you are classed as right wing, there is no middle ground & honestly it's as bad on here. Edited May 5, 2020 by LakotaDakota 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 5, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: I know exactly what i said. If you do not agreee 100% with the twitter left you are classed as right wing, there is no middle ground Theres no way ending the lockdown can be considered middle ground 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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