Popular Post thunderball Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: It’s clear January is being used as a desperate attempt to paper over the chasms in the squad. I think there is far too much sympathy on here for the club and the difficulties of the January window. They massively f***** up in the summer and the price they’re paying is having to scramble around in January to replace either the poor players they signed in the summer or to find players in positions they neglected. I honestly don’t trust the club to get it right at the moment in terms of the personnel they’re bringing in. I mean, look at Drinkwater, there are no words to describe how bad his first two performance have been. I also really want to get excited about Samatta but fear he’s another Wesley/Trezeguet/Nakamba etc. What is this obsession with the Belgian league? I know the Belgian national team is fantastic but last time I checked, we hadn’t signed any of the internationals and most of the good ones move away from that league as soon as they’re deemed to have any sort of potential. Ive been quite vocal on here about how poor I think our summer business was but want to clarify that I don’t think it was an easy task and I can see why it has failed. If you’re trying to put a squad together made up of 10m pound players and expect to compete at this level, you’re going to have a shock. However, I still think we went about it completely the wrong way. I’m not one to bang on about ‘premier league experience’ but I genuinely think you could assemble a better squad than what we have at the moment with the best players from The Championship and the Scottish League for the same price. At least these players would show a bit of fight and aggression. Many talk about ‘hindsight’ being a wonderful thing referencing how many were excited about our summer dealings at the time. A nonsensical argument in my opinion for two reasons. Firstly, we were all excited because the love we had for the owners and what they managed in their first season in English football. We trusted them to get it right. Suso came with a stellar reputation, we trusted him to get it right. That’s why we were excited. We all believed these players were hidden gems that the club had been tracking for a while and that they’d come in and have a Leicester style impact on the division. Nakamba was the new Kante. Trezeguet was the new Mahrez etc. We can be forgiven for getting excited and thinking this. As for Hindsight and the argument, ‘he looked a great buy/gamble at £10m, hindsight is a beautiful thing’. Nonsense. These players should have been thoroughly researched before we brought them in. This mantra that because a player only cost 10m, they’re allowed to be poor in the Premier League is dangerous. 10m is a lot of money and once you start saying this about 4/5 players, all of a sudden you’ve gambled 50/60m away. Are we any better than we were last season? At best you could argue we are slightly better but if you honestly asked me if we could go to Fulham, Leeds or Brentford right now and get a result, I’d say it would be tough with the players we have. We came into the league with 3 Premier League standard players in Mcginn, Grealish and Mings and I’m afraid having spent £140m, we still only have 3 Premier League standard players. If we go down, we’re going to really struggle to recoup even half of what we paid for the likes of Namkamba, Trezeguet and Wesley. If we stay up, we’re in exactly the same position as we were last summer anyway - having to buy quality players to play around the aforementioned 3. Christ, how negative does this sound?! Pass me the noose. I’ll wrap it up now as I’ve lost 30% of my phone battery just typing this. I’m a Dean Smith fan. I’m a huge fan of NSWE. I just think they massively got it wrong in the summer and they may pay the price for it in years to come, regardless of what division we find ourselves in. FFP is unforgiving. Can’t agree with this. The brief was to sign young, hungry talent: reduce the average age of the squad, reduce the wage bill, buy players that would/could gain in value. If we could have got away with buying 3nr £40m players or 4nr £30m players we would, but needed 12-14 players. Added to this they all needed to hit the ground running it was always a big ask, but importantly, it was never going to be instant given the likely personnel fitting the criteria. Finishing 17th would be success, but relegation not necessarily failure - this is the NSWE project, they are investing for the long game. As for “papering over the chasms in the squad”, this just isn’t the case, we were always going to need another striker and possibly a winger, but preferably on loan, however serious injuries to our no1 and no2 choice keepers, Our no1 and no2 strikers and our midfield constant in McGinn this suddenly makes a huge difference to the needs of this window. Two months ago our goal difference was acceptable, in fact good compared to those around us, and our needs were really two more attacking options to mix it up a bit. All of a sudden we are looking for several senior players in starting positions. Personally, I am happier the club has a policy that promises a more sustainable future that evolves than the boom/bust approach that we have had since Lerner arrived to the arrival of NSWE, even if it means going down again, however assuming the subsequent fall out is manageable. The club clearly has gears to go through in terms of the quality we will need, but you need to establish a solid platform and add the icing later, this just was never going to be a one or two window turnaround, just look at the spending those in the PL have undertaken since we have been away, we are minnows. Lastly, I think when compared to others Club’s signings I reckon we have done better than expected: there is always a risk that players just don’t work out, but on the whole no one is terrible and there are signs given time most will work out as solid squad players, some even more so. Look at big money signings elsewhere and how have they done: Moise Kean, Joelinton, Fornals, Pepe, Iwobi, Danjuma, etc, etc....... honestly there are loads that cost far more and have been poor returns for their clubs, but as they are coming into an established team, the pressure isn’t on. Edited January 19, 2020 by thunderball 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwdriver Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 the dither brothers deano and jesus really have got soup in the laundry bag this time. by keeping their powder dry and waiting till nearer the end of the window to sign a striker in hope of the price goes down will now certainly leave then searching through the waifs and strays especially now manchester united need strikers as well as spurs. due to rashfords injury. we had a golden opportuinity to get a coup such a piatek in before any of the big guns came sniffing, however as usual failure to get deals over the line has cost us. It's just like when Gregory let Junhinio and Keane slip through the net. Forever in excrement creek! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 since we already have Drinky on loan from Chelsea then Giroud must be a permanent signing as we can't loan 2 players from the same club. Can't see him doing that. Also as someone who is turning 34 this year what kind of deal would he demand and what kind of deal would we be willing to offer. Desperate times and I'd absolutely take him but it seems very unlikely since we already used up our loan option. Maybe we can still cancel the Drinkwater loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, sne said: since we already have Drinky on loan from Chelsea then Giroud must be a permanent signing as we can't loan 2 players from the same club. Can't see him doing that. Also as someone who is turning 34 this year what kind of deal would he demand and what kind of deal would we be willing to offer. Desperate times and I'd absolutely take him but it seems very unlikely since we already used up our loan option. Maybe we can still cancel the Drinkwater loan As he only has 6 months left on his contract I assume we are trying to sign him on a permanent 6 month deal which will, in effect, act in the same way as a loan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elton Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, sne said: since we already have Drinky on loan from Chelsea then Giroud must be a permanent signing as we can't loan 2 players from the same club. Can't see him doing that. Also as someone who is turning 34 this year what kind of deal would he demand and what kind of deal would we be willing to offer. Desperate times and I'd absolutely take him but it seems very unlikely since we already used up our loan option. Maybe we can still cancel the Drinkwater loan Presumably there is no reason he couldn’t sign a 6 month ‘permanent’ deal with an option for another year that he could trigger if we stay up. This would still leave him as a free agent in the summer if he wishes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, screwdriver said: the dither brothers deano and jesus really have got soup in the laundry bag this time. by keeping their powder dry and waiting till nearer the end of the window to sign a striker in hope of the price goes down will now certainly leave then searching through the waifs and strays especially now manchester united need strikers as well as spurs. due to rashfords injury. we had a golden opportuinity to get a coup such a piatek in before any of the big guns came sniffing, however as usual failure to get deals over the line has cost us. It's just like when Gregory let Junhinio and Keane slip through the net. Forever in excrement creek! Yep. That’s exactly how negotiation works. All their fault! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, M_Afro said: As he only has 6 months left on his contract I assume we are trying to sign him on a permanent 6 month deal which will, in effect, act in the same way as a loan. Chelsea were asking for something like £6m from Inter. Would be a pretty expensive 6 months if you also factor in wages. Guess it's even more expensive to get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwdriver Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, M_Afro said: Yep. That’s exactly how negotiation works. All their fault! They should of been tapping up in december....everyone else realised Wesley was a dud back in October 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete101 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Elton said: Presumably there is no reason he couldn’t sign a 6 month ‘permanent’ deal with an option for another year that he could trigger if we stay up. This would still leave him as a free agent in the summer if he wishes. Not a hope of him agreeing to this, at that age he will be looking for something a bit more secure then a 6 month deal with us having an option , 18month deal might get it over the line 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Surprised Inter actually want Giroud given they have Lukaku (who's having a really good season) and Laturuo Martinez as first choice and Alexis Sanchez as back up. He's not going to play much more than at Chelsea. Ultimately this is probably just agent stuff to get the move going again. If we really wanted him think we'd have pushed Chelsea harder earlier in the window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elton Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, pete101 said: Not a hope of him agreeing to this, at that age he will be looking for something a bit more secure then a 6 month deal with us having an option , 18month deal might get it over the line I actually said the option was his.. Not that a think we’ll sign him anyway. I don’t expect that at all unless he can’t find a more attractive option. Edited January 19, 2020 by Elton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 He is a player who could easily have another few years left, never relied on pace, looks after himself and has never been injury prone. If he insisted on a 2 1/2 year contract I'd have no problem with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeps Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Giving OG a 18month deal, with bonus for staying up, relegation release clause. It’s a no brainer. sadly I can’t see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Regarding a 6 month permanent transfer (not that he would agree to it), isn't there a rule about how many clubs can hold your registration in a 12 month period? I thought it was 2 but I'm probably wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, sne said: Chelsea were asking for something like £6m from Inter. Would be a pretty expensive 6 months if you also factor in wages. Guess it's even more expensive to get relegated. And there lies the dilemma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 The Giroud rumour has originated from Le10Sport in France, I googled them after they said we were signing Slimani, and it seems they don't have the best of reputations for being reliable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Link Seems I'm wrong. It's per season rather than per calender year. Currently, under the FIFA Transfer Regulations, a football player is only allowed to be registered with a maximum of three clubs in one season. This also applies regardless of what country that player has plied his trade in, whether that is in Europe, Africa or South America. During this period, the player is only eligible to play official matches for two clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, Kuwabatake Sanjuro said: He is a player who could easily have another few years left, never relied on pace, looks after himself and has never been injury prone. If he insisted on a 2 1/2 year contract I'd have no problem with it. I remember when Zola signed for Chelsea, I think he’d been hawked around a few club’s including us. I’m not sure exactly how old he was, but I’m sure he was the wrong side of 30 and nobody was particularly interested. Then Chelsea signed him, he became a legend and he seemed to play there for years. Giroud could be our Zola signing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: I remember when Zola signed for Chelsea, I think he’d been hawked around a few club’s including us. I’m not sure exactly how old he was, but I’m sure he was the wrong side of 30 and nobody was particularly interested. Then Chelsea signed him, he became a legend and he seemed to play there for years. Giroud could be our Zola signing. I’ve googled him, he was 30 when he joined Chelsea and was there for 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Could actually see Man. United coming in for Giroud if Rashford really is out for a couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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