MotoMkali Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, sne said: Still think it's more about the role than the position or number. He doesn't want to sit and protect the back 4 or be in a position where if he loses the ball it's a direct scoring opportunity. Being the lone DCM is not for him, and I think we all agree it's not where he's best used. He can still be more advanced and play as a 6, just need another 6 next to him. Don't think he want's to be a box to box player like McGinn. And to add to the whole numbers nonsense the 6 role is generally referred to as the 5 role in South America. He was absolutely fantastic as part of a 2 to keep us up at the end of the 19/20 season. Hopefully he can recapture his form from there and add in a few more goals as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: "I hope I can help by bringing the ball out from the back" is the quote I think - a natural no 6. It would seem that there's a much more recent interview where he's said he'd prefer to play as an eight, I've never seen it though. It's referred to a lot on here and I think it might have been something he's done for Brazilian media, but I'd be interested to see what he's actually said in it. I think thats just part of a No6.....There's a lot more to it than that. Disrupting the the oppositions sorties.....and recovering the ball is also paramount....getting about the opposition and ratting, is a part of that role imo. Its great to have a good passer, to take the ball out and he is......but there is an crucial job to do without the ball, and I am not so sure, there. 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: "I hope I can help by bringing the ball out from the back" is the quote I think - a natural no 6. It would seem that there's a much more recent interview where he's said he'd prefer to play as an eight, I've never seen it though. It's referred to a lot on here and I think it might have been something he's done for Brazilian media, but I'd be interested to see what he's actually said in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitKat Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: Thank you for that. I think his perfect position is next to Kamara in a withdrawn role but with licence to get forward and support. I actually think that Kamara/Luiz/McGinn (or Ramsey) could be a really well balanced midfield - Kamara gives Luiz freedom from deeper and having both behind him would give McGinn a chance to really have an impact in our forward play. Liverpool had a similar set up with Mascherano, Alonso and Gerrard for a while, right? We all have wanted a better CDM option for several seasons now and hopefully Kamara is the key to unlocking the potential in the rest of the midfield with the balance that he should bring. I certainly expect to see more from Doug and SJM this season. Let's not forget that we had a decent spell with Nakamba in the team and he is a much more limited player. I wouldn't be adverse to seeing how we look with 2 deeper CMs if we go with a 4231 but we'd likely see that lineup without Ramsey or McGinn which I don't think is likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 2 hours ago, a m ole said: They call that an 8. The numbers have been around since the 1920s. Well I don't remember people constantly referring to players as numbers. They were either a decent midfielder, defender or a greater pretty decent inside forward and a wonderful centre or not so wonderful.. Admittedly, the number 9 was often used, but that was the romantic position and still is some respects . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: Well I don't remember people constantly referring to players as numbers. They were either a decent midfielder, defender or a greater pretty decent inside forward and a wonderful centre or not so wonderful.. Admittedly, the number 9 was often used, but that was the romantic position and still is some respects . It’s literally just easier to say 6 8 10 instead of defensive midfielder, box to box midfielder, attacking midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLVillan Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, a m ole said: It’s literally just easier to say 6 8 10 instead of defensive midfielder, box to box midfielder, attacking midfielder. The generally-accepted abbreviations used in tactical/formation discussions nowadays... 1. Goalkeeper 2. Right Back 3. Left Back 5. Centre Back 6 Defensive Midfielder 8 Box to box midfielder 9 Centre Forward 10 Attacking Midfielder/Withdrawn Striker 12+ Sub... 4, 7, and 11 are (disgracefully) omitted from tactical discussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, FLVillan said: The generally-accepted abbreviations used in tactical/formation discussions nowadays... 1. Goalkeeper 2. Right Back 3. Left Back 5. Centre Back 6 Defensive Midfielder 8 Box to box midfielder 9 Centre Forward 10 Attacking Midfielder/Withdrawn Striker 12+ Sub... 4, 7, and 11 are (disgracefully) omitted from tactical discussions How does the midfield general fit into these numbers as hes neither box to box or defensive midfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLVillan Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, PaulC said: How does the midfield general fit into these numbers as hes neither box to box or defensive midfield? He gets to pick whatever number he wants because he's a General.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 16 hours ago, CarryOnVilla said: I have a feeling, just a feeling mind, that there’s been a gentleman’s agreement here. Something like, if he doesn’t find a new club this window he’ll sign an extension here. it explain the relaxed attitude by player and club Maybe Dougie was waiting to see if we signed a CDM before committing as he doesn't want to play there any more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 2 hours ago, FLVillan said: The generally-accepted abbreviations used in tactical/formation discussions nowadays... 1. Goalkeeper 2. Right Back 3. Left Back 5. Centre Back 6 Defensive Midfielder 8 Box to box midfielder 9 Centre Forward 10 Attacking Midfielder/Withdrawn Striker 12+ Sub... 4, 7, and 11 are (disgracefully) omitted from tactical discussions 7/11are wingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 30, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2022 21 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: Whatever happened to a midfielder being able to defend and attack 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Worried for this guy next season again. Just goes through the motion's of playing a game sometimes. He's got the talent, but he's like that kid who didn't really wanna play today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) I thought he was alright, technically tidy and transitions the ball well. I just want to see more dynamism though, more shots, assists, a bit of acceleration to progress the ball forward slightly differently and create spaces. I prefer him to McGinn, think he offers more potential, if we want rid of two midfielders I would say it’s McGinn and Nakamba, not Luiz. Hope he signs a new deal and we realise his value either on the pitch or in a sale. Edited July 31, 2022 by thunderball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Yet again his inconsistencies let him down. 2nd half against manure he was really good. 7 days later against Renne he was weak and at times uninterested so it seemed . Massively frustrating player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 On 30/07/2022 at 13:21, a m ole said: It’s literally just easier to say 6 8 10 instead of defensive midfielder, box to box midfielder, attacking midfielder. I disagree, but then what do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, sidcow said: Since when was John Barnrse a midfielder? Edited July 31, 2022 by sheepyvillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: Since when was John Barnrse a midfielder? I wasn’t the one who posted it but think it’s just that Barnes used to always focus on defence AND attack - that’ll always hit you and hurt you, he said… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, sheepyvillian said: Since when was John Barnrse a midfielder? Yeah, not sure if you are just being picky or 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 this makes about as much sense as a riddle. Not sure how he needs to "understand if there is a chance to leave on a free". I mean.....you run your contract down....simples....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 32 minutes ago, MaVilla said: this makes about as much sense as a riddle. Not sure how he needs to "understand if there is a chance to leave on a free". I mean.....you run your contract down....simples....... Yes and I reckon that's what he'll do. Doesn't suit us obviously. I'd be inclined to bench him or leave him out of the matchday squad altogether if he doesn't sign a new contract and we can't sell him this window. He's not exactly been pulling up any trees in preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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