sheepyvillian Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, TRO said: No the stick to beat him with, if thats your description?....is to go up for a crucial aerial ball, and not stay flat footed. Think of the mistakes he has made. All were probably avoidable with a bit more calm thought. Also, how many points have his mistakes cost us ? I can think of a few just off my head. Tbh, I wouldn't have him in the top 20 of centre - halves I have seen in a Villa shirt. Edited December 28, 2021 by sheepyvillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: That's the issue, Mings makes mistakes more than on occasion and they always tend to be costly. More often than VVD? yeah, likely. They’re costly because he’s a centre back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, a m ole said: More often than VVD? yeah, likely. They’re costly because he’s a centre back. I'm sure some nerd could produce the stats to determine that one. I know who my money would be on. Given the choice, I'd take the Dutch man every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, sheepyvillian said: I'm sure some nerd could produce the stats to determine that one. I know who my money would be on. Given the choice, I'd take the Dutch man every time. Obviously, that’s the point. The best centre back in the world also makes bad mistakes that are costly. It’s not unique to Tyrone Mings or even average centre backs. The criticism of him is over the top. Edited December 28, 2021 by a m ole 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, a m ole said: Obviously, that’s the point. The best centre back in the world also makes bad mistakes that are costly. It’s not unique to Tyrone Mings or even average centre backs. The criticism of him is over the top. No it's not the point. All centre- backs make mistakes, obviously, but Mings makes mistakes that are invariably costly. Show me where VVD makes the same costly mistakes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: No it's not the point. All centre- backs make mistakes, obviously, but Mings makes mistakes that are invariably costly. Show me where VVD makes the same costly mistakes ? VVD didn't close down Lookmam for Leicester's winning goal tonight. VvD also made countless errors during the 7-2 last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Just now, GingerCollins29 said: VVD didn't close down Lookmam for Leicester's winning goal tonight. VvD also made countless errors during the 7-2 last season. So that's two games. Mings, Man Utd ×3, man city, Leicester, Chelsea, Liverpool and many more. Incidentally, have Liverpool ever considered dropping VVD ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: No it's not the point. All centre- backs make mistakes, obviously, but Mings makes mistakes that are invariably costly. Show me where VVD makes the same costly mistakes ? Quite literally, tonight, when I made the post. It is the point, because I made it. Edited December 28, 2021 by a m ole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, GingerCollins29 said: VVD didn't close down Lookmam for Leicester's winning goal tonight. VvD also made countless errors during the 7-2 last season. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 minute ago, a m ole said: Quite literally, tonight, when I made the post. It is the point, because I made it. I've just watched the Leicester goal and no way is VVD as culpable for that goal as Mings was for Chelsea's. I read the comments also, on YouTube and not one comment is castigating VVD. It's a ridiculous comparison, VVD is ten times the centre half Mings is. What Mings done against Lukaku was an error a schoolboy would be called out for. If you want a proper example of not closing down, watch Mings when we lost to Man Utd, when he let Greenwood shoot and score. Roy Keane called him out for it, and rightly so. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brumstopdogs Posted December 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2021 Only one player in the premier league has made more clearances than Mings this season. IMO there is a real inconsistency the amount of stick he gets relative to other defenders. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Frankly. This thread feels like people have been lying in wait. Since Gerrard's arrival he's been a colossus. And mistakes happen, as long as he knows and learns that's all we can demand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted December 28, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Brumstopdogs said: Only one player in the premier league has made more clearances than Mings this season. IMO there is a real inconsistency the amount of stick he gets relative to other defenders. Clearances is only one part of the defensive structure and can mean that the defending team is more under the pump on a regular basis. He continues to make the same mistakes, it would be different if he learned and reduced them from his game. Chelsea targeted him in the second half, Tuchel obviously sees a weakness and it was exposed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero7 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 I'm sure other fans forums are the same but we take great joy in slagging our players off, not so long ago we had Chester and Richards in our defence..... All defenders make errors, especially against top sides when you have to defend a lot. How about just supporting and getting behind the players for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 I am not sure I understand the comparison between VVD and Mings. Is the suggestion that Mings and VVD are similar standard CBs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Zero7 said: I'm sure other fans forums are the same but we take great joy in slagging our players off, not so long ago we had Chester and Richards in our defence..... All defenders make errors, especially against top sides when you have to defend a lot. How about just supporting and getting behind the players for once. Do you think the comments on the forum should just be positive about our players and not discuss their weaknesses? We all support Villa but the fact that we are not PL and Champions League current holders suggests there is room for improvement. There is nothing wrong with discussing players strengths and weaknesses. It would be wrong to simply ignore the issues we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero7 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Just now, Peter Griffin said: Do you think the comments on the forum should just be positive about our players and not discuss their weaknesses? We all support Villa but the fact that we are not PL and Champions League current holders suggests there is room for improvement. There is nothing wrong with discussing players strengths and weaknesses. It would be wrong to simply ignore the issues we have No, not at all, but soon after a loss, all our players are shit and need shipping out, it's all about perspective, I don't get overly excited after a win or too doom and gloom after a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 34 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: So that's two games. Mings, Man Utd ×3, man city, Leicester, Chelsea, Liverpool and many more. Incidentally, have Liverpool ever considered dropping VVD ? Vvd is of course the better defender. I'm not debating that. I gave you examples of his costly errors, which was the original question. Not sure of the point you are trying to make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Zero7 said: No, not at all, but soon after a loss, all our players are shit and need shipping out, it's all about perspective, I don't get overly excited after a win or too doom and gloom after a loss. For whats it worth though, don't think tyrone has ever made the same number of costly errors leading to goals/chances within one 90 mins that VVD did against us in the 7-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 I never understand the stick Tyrone gets. Our resurgence as a club started the day that he walked in the door. Is he perfect? No. Could he be improved upon? Definitely. Is he our best defender? By a country mile. People who get gooey eyed over Konsa whilst giving Mings stick do not understand football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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