VillanousOne Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 ruined his performance with soft wayward clearances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pongo's Socks Posted December 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Villa 59 said: We were still in this game until TM gifted them the 3rd goal. Other than that I thought he was excellent today How are you blaming Mings for the 3rd? Clearly a keeper error when Olsen rushes out. Mings did all he could to block the follow up, was just unlucky it went through his legs 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero7 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Too ponderous, the slow build up starts with him but defensively he’s still our best player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted December 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 26, 2022 40 minutes ago, AVTuco said: He was one of our best IMO too. but today was the rule, not the exception he's been one of our most consistent players all season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted December 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, tomav84 said: but today was the rule, not the exception he's been one of our most consistent players all season He has, but I'm still torn, unsure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 48 minutes ago, Pongo's Socks said: How are you blaming Mings for the 3rd? Clearly a keeper error when Olsen rushes out. Mings did all he could to block the follow up, was just unlucky it went through his legs It was the poor touch in the middle of the pitch that started everything No one read that touch, Digne got attracted to salah rather than trying to win the ball, konsa then got dicked for pace, the midfield didn't track back, a fair bit of football got played and they scored... But it was still that touch that started it For me it was more that no one reacted at all to it, kamara and young in different ways are complete passengers, they watch the whole thing, if the kid didn't score there was another Liverpool player right behind him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 26 minutes ago, villa4europe said: It was the poor touch in the middle of the pitch that started everything No one read that touch, Digne got attracted to salah rather than trying to win the ball, konsa then got dicked for pace, the midfield didn't track back, a fair bit of football got played and they scored... But it was still that touch that started it For me it was more that no one reacted at all to it, kamara and young in different ways are complete passengers, they watch the whole thing, if the kid didn't score there was another Liverpool player right behind him Agreed. A poor touch, sure, but not enough to wholly blame him for it. It was a goal where multiple parts failed, Mings included. Overall Mings was solid today and is not a problem within this team. There are several issues with our squad, majority of them lie with the attack not being able to finish anything. Defense has its own issues but we should be able to acknowledge that some of those issues would be lessened if players like Ollie could score more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted December 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Villa 59 said: We were still in this game until TM gifted them the 3rd goal. Other than that I thought he was excellent today Konsa nearly assisted a Nunez goal and Digne was at fault for at least one and maybe the first 2 but Mings is to blame Its getting embarrassing at this stage 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvilla28 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 For all his great work always a mistake in him way too often and for me that can't take us to the next level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 We need to be starting two centre backs that aren't Mings and/or Konsa. They are good players but, not good enough together if we want to break the top half on a consistent basis. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Spot on, with his assessment of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 12 hours ago, villa4europe said: It was the poor touch in the middle of the pitch that started everything No one read that touch, Digne got attracted to salah rather than trying to win the ball, konsa then got dicked for pace, the midfield didn't track back, a fair bit of football got played and they scored... But it was still that touch that started it For me it was more that no one reacted at all to it, kamara and young in different ways are complete passengers, they watch the whole thing, if the kid didn't score there was another Liverpool player right behind him Agree. Worst thing for me was when he passed it to Liverpool he just stood a few seconds there while they initiated their attack. He did get back to defend but far too slow to react initially. Apart from that moment he was fine yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 It was a loose touch no doubt, but i'd wager there were many similar touches by CB's in the league across the games yesterday, that kind of stuff happens all the time. It gave the ball to a Liverpool player, but in terms of where the ball ended up and our shape, it shouldn't have been disastrous. We had our full back 4 in a good line with only two forwards against them, and Kamara also between our goal and the Liverpool players. Konsa had at least a 5 yard head start on Nunez but got rinsed, yet for me the most culpable was Kamara. Basically ambled back while the goalscorer (who had started much deeper) was busting a gut to get onto that ball. If Kamara actually puts in some effort to get back, that loose ball falls to him and its an easy clearance. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, andym said: It was a loose touch no doubt, but i'd wager there were many similar touches by CB's in the league across the games yesterday, that kind of stuff happens all the time. Same as blaming France’s third in the World Cup final on Messi giving the ball away. A lot had to happen between that moment and the goal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazmonkey Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 It was a loose touch in the middle that led to the goal and this is the problem with Mings...and a couple of others in the team...they are just not 'cultured' enough to take us where we want to go. These players have done us a a service now...getting us up...and maintaining us in the league...its time to move on...they are not going to get any better hence we keep raising the same issues for the past four years. He and konsa are both the same...positional sense is shocking...we have a bad habit of retreating under pressure especially when we are in our own box. If you look at most of the goals we conceded often our defenders are behind the goalie or stood still in 6 yard box. Goal 2 there we 9 players in the 6 yard box yet they scored. The third Mings runs past olsen who pushed it out and stands on the goal line. He should have reacted better and closed the player down instead of allowing the shot off...would the shot gone off...probably but chances are it would have been blocked out for corner or away. He is too reactive...often wrong..than being proactive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Bazmonkey said: It was a loose touch in the middle that led to the goal and this is the problem with Mings...and a couple of others in the team...they are just not 'cultured' enough to take us where we want to go. These players have done us a a service now...getting us up...and maintaining us in the league...its time to move on...they are not going to get any better hence we keep raising the same issues for the past four years. He and konsa are both the same...positional sense is shocking...we have a bad habit of retreating under pressure especially when we are in our own box. If you look at most of the goals we conceded often our defenders are behind the goalie or stood still in 6 yard box. Goal 2 there we 9 players in the 6 yard box yet they scored. The third Mings runs past olsen who pushed it out and stands on the goal line. He should have reacted better and closed the player down instead of allowing the shot off...would the shot gone off...probably but chances are it would have been blocked out for corner or away. He is too reactive...often wrong..than being proactive. I agree with your overall view......We have been talking about poor defending, for such a long time, and last night, Ty admitted as much. I do, admire his honesty, but like you, allude to, its been all there to see, for so long now. Much of the comment of last night, has all been said before.....and despite some neat football, many shortfalls were still on display. I am not blaming the manager, for some of this stuff, its just player inadequecies, Its no good barking at the moon, we have to come to terms with,the prospect, some are just not consistent/ reliable enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Bazmonkey said: It was a loose touch in the middle that led to the goal and this is the problem with Mings...and a couple of others in the team...they are just not 'cultured' enough to take us where we want to go. These players have done us a a service now...getting us up...and maintaining us in the league...its time to move on...they are not going to get any better hence we keep raising the same issues for the past four years. He and konsa are both the same...positional sense is shocking...we have a bad habit of retreating under pressure especially when we are in our own box. If you look at most of the goals we conceded often our defenders are behind the goalie or stood still in 6 yard box. Goal 2 there we 9 players in the 6 yard box yet they scored. The third Mings runs past olsen who pushed it out and stands on the goal line. He should have reacted better and closed the player down instead of allowing the shot off...would the shot gone off...probably but chances are it would have been blocked out for corner or away. He is too reactive...often wrong..then being proactive. He was keeping ahead of Salah to cover the cross which is why he ran past Olsen. It was the right positioning even if it was “reactive.” After that the GK is way off the line, he has to stay back somewhat to protect goal. Once the Pool kid skipped past Olsen and Konsa, Mings does start to close down on the player but drops his knee when he sees him initiate the kick. His positions were more often correct then incorrect yesterday. I’d argue if he seems too reactive or out of position it’s because more often then not he’s covering for a failure in defense due to another player being out of position. And to save us from the continued roundabout argument of bias, no this is not to acquit him of any wrong doing that he is guilty of, he’s far from a perfect player. But it’s not as grievous as some make it out to be. We’ve already seen the defensive stats of the team with and without him. He’s one of our best defenders if not the best defender. Surround him with better players and let’s see if those perceived mistakes continue or lessen. That will tell us what we need to know about him. Edited December 27, 2022 by Aston_Villan4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo's Socks Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 21 hours ago, villa4europe said: It was the poor touch in the middle of the pitch that started everything No one read that touch, Digne got attracted to salah rather than trying to win the ball, konsa then got dicked for pace, the midfield didn't track back, a fair bit of football got played and they scored... But it was still that touch that started it For me it was more that no one reacted at all to it, kamara and young in different ways are complete passengers, they watch the whole thing, if the kid didn't score there was another Liverpool player right behind him Just watched the game back (we were 2nd row in Holte so hard to see halfway line from down there), you're right that Mings touch on half way line started their attack. So I'd agree his mistake was influential. I still think if Olsen held his ground after he'd parried, to let defence deal with the rebound, we'd have kept that out. So we're both right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Bazmonkey said: It was a loose touch in the middle that led to the goal and this is the problem with Mings...and a couple of others in the team...they are just not 'cultured' enough to take us where we want to go. These players have done us a a service now...getting us up...and maintaining us in the league...its time to move on...they are not going to get any better hence we keep raising the same issues for the past four years. He and konsa are both the same...positional sense is shocking...we have a bad habit of retreating under pressure especially when we are in our own box. If you look at most of the goals we conceded often our defenders are behind the goalie or stood still in 6 yard box. Goal 2 there we 9 players in the 6 yard box yet they scored. The third Mings runs past olsen who pushed it out and stands on the goal line. He should have reacted better and closed the player down instead of allowing the shot off...would the shot gone off...probably but chances are it would have been blocked out for corner or away. He is too reactive...often wrong..than being proactive. Exactly he's got all the attributes to be a top cb but he's hasn't got the nouse like a Paul mcgrath 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) On 27/12/2022 at 01:59, Zatman said: Konsa nearly assisted a Nunez goal and Digne was at fault for at least one and maybe the first 2 but Mings is to blame Its getting embarrassing at this stage Voted third for MoTM in the post-match thread, but yeah no he's shite and his fault we lost Edited December 28, 2022 by a-k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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