sne Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, a m ole said: I'm sure I read FIFA have said any players seen doing things like this intentionally, including getting yellows to miss a dead-rubber etc, will be banned for longer. Yeah but they won't enforce that on teams like England or Belgium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Tin foil hat time, WHAT IF England did the maths mid game and conceded the goal against Panama on purpose? Remember that the 6th was a total fluke of the heel of Kane, putting us ahead of Belgium on goal difference. WHAT IF England intentionally switched off for that free-kick to draw level on GD, meaning Belgium couldn't play for a draw while we played for a loss giving them the upper hand. WHAT IF that goal was let in to even up the playing field in terms of throwing the last game. Disclaimer: I don't actually think this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2018 I think it was in the 1999-2000 season that Alan Wright was trying to get one more yellow, so as to get his suspension out of the way before the Cup Final. Can't remember who we were playing (even though I was there!), but it was hilarious. He kept committing fouls until the ref couldn't ignore it anymore, and finally booked him, both of them visibly laughing, to cheering from the Holte. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 28, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted June 28, 2018 16 minutes ago, a m ole said: I'm sure I read FIFA have said any players seen doing things like this intentionally, including getting yellows to miss a dead-rubber etc, will be banned for longer. And how in the name of jayzus would they be able to categorically determine that it was done by design. That looks great on paper, but in reality it's nonsense. Any player out to do that would be clever enough to do it in a scenario where the tackle seemed plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, BOF said: And how in the name of jayzus would they be able to categorically determine that it was done by design. That looks great on paper, but in reality it's nonsense. Any player out to do that would be clever enough to do it in a scenario where the tackle seemed plausible. Dunno. Remember Luis Suarez trying to get booked in that game for Barca so he missed Las Palmas before Atleti? The ref refused to book him for maybe 5 or 6 incidents that were worthy of a yellow in the last 10 minutes of the game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, a m ole said: Dunno. Remember Luis Suarez trying to get booked in that game for Barca so he missed Las Palmas before Atleti? The ref refused to book him for maybe 5 or 6 incidents that were worthy of a yellow in the last 10 minutes of the game. Yeah that was hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, a m ole said: Dunno. Remember Luis Suarez trying to get booked in that game for Barca so he missed Las Palmas before Atleti? The ref refused to book him for maybe 5 or 6 incidents that were worthy of a yellow in the last 10 minutes of the game. Exactly like the Alan Wright scenario I described above - except that it eventually worked (and the F.A. didn't seem to care). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 28, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, mjmooney said: Exactly like the Alan Wright scenario I described above - except that it eventually worked (and the F.A. didn't seem to care). I think there are 2 reasons England-Belgium differs from the above. The first is that discipline is a tie-breaker in this world cup, so a yellow could change your next opponent. That wasn't the case in the Wright (or Suarez) scenario. Secondly, AFAICR there was no pre-match warning for Wright not to do it, so he wasn't going against any edict. Whereas there is now an explicit warning in place from FIFA, meaning you'd be doing something you've been told not to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daweii Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Going to be a very interesting game if both teams turn up playing for a loss.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, a m ole said: Tin foil hat time, WHAT IF England did the maths mid game and conceded the goal against Panama on purpose? Remember that the 6th was a total fluke of the heel of Kane, putting us ahead of Belgium on goal difference. WHAT IF England intentionally switched off for that free-kick to draw level on GD, meaning Belgium couldn't play for a draw while we played for a loss giving them the upper hand. WHAT IF that goal was let in to even up the playing field in terms of throwing the last game. Disclaimer: I don't actually think this Indeed, and maybe that is why John Stones has been pretending to switch off for the past 2 years and allowing silly goals to be conceded. It didn't raise any suspicions at all because it was just a "John Stones thing" Gareth Southgate is the second coming, I tell you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2018 57 minutes ago, BOF said: I think there are 2 reasons England-Belgium differs from the above. The first is that discipline is a tie-breaker in this world cup, so a yellow could change your next opponent. That wasn't the case in the Wright (or Suarez) scenario. Secondly, AFAICR there was no pre-match warning for Wright not to do it, so he wasn't going against any edict. Whereas there is now an explicit warning in place from FIFA, meaning you'd be doing something you've been told not to do. Oh, absolutely. I was comparing the Wright scenario with the Suarez one, not this WC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 4 hours ago, a m ole said: I'm sure I read FIFA have said any players seen doing things like this intentionally, including getting yellows to miss a dead-rubber etc, will be banned for longer. Very hard to prove, a professional player could easier cover it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 other than blatant time wasting or kicking the ball away during stoppage time i dont see it being investigatable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 BBC saying 8 changes, i should know better than to question southgate...if its england B vs Belgium B then it could be balanced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, villa4europe said: BBC saying 8 changes, i should know better than to question southgate...if its england B vs Belgium B then it could be balanced So long as Boyata is playing. It will be balanced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 No excuse not to go for this at 100% now . . . no offence to Japan, but they really are pretty rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2018 Yeah I'd be much more comfortable playing Japan. Go all out to win this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Southgate out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted June 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2018 So who's looking forward to watching the Panama Tunisia game? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Had no idea the great Martin Tyler was now with SBS. Wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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