gaffer85 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, One For The Road said: I tell it like it is and some people don't like that. They prefer to have their head in the clouds. Which is up to them You might tell it as is but it is sure as he'll more fun up here in the clouds Edited October 5, 2018 by gaffer85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skills Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 10 hours ago, hippo said: Where does this Lampard is doing well come from ? - We are 10 games and Derby have 2 more points than us - thats whelans penalty kick and we are level pegging. how many points in front do you think we'd be if they had Bruce and we had Lampard? Is Biesla doing ok at Leeds? they're only 7 points ahead of us, add the 2 points from Whelan so less than 2 games away... Why the hell did we get rid of Bruce again??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubbs Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I keep hearing Rogers being mentioned. Please god no! Yes he's done great up in Scotland winning a league with literally no competition but it wouldn't inspire me to think we'll be challenging the top clubs any time soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedman Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Skills said: how many points in front do you think we'd be if they had Bruce and we had Lampard? Is Biesla doing ok at Leeds? they're only 7 points ahead of us, add the 2 points from Whelan so less than 2 games away... Why the hell did we get rid of Bruce again??? Hysteria? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam3773 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Skills said: how many points in front do you think we'd be if they had Bruce and we had Lampard? Is Biesla doing ok at Leeds? they're only 7 points ahead of us, add the 2 points from Whelan so less than 2 games away... Why the hell did we get rid of Bruce again??? It's not about how the others are doing, it's about how we're doing. 15 points from 11 games is very poor, and considering that it looks like a very average league this year, we were right to take first blood and try to attack it. Anyway.. Has Fonseca ruled himself out? I've seen people say it but no actual quote. I'd love it to be Rodgers, and I think with the right deal and vision, he would come. If it's not Rodgers, it can be Smith or Henry. Both have advantages. Henry is more of a 'star name', but as we saw with Di Matteo, that isn't necessarily the best plan. I have reservations about Smith. Money no object, and assuming Pep isn't interested, I want Brendan Rodgers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skills Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 7 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: i think whoever it is has a hell of a task between now and January. We're desperately short at the back. I think the first six signings any manager should make would be a goalkeeper, three centrebacks and two left backs. I don't think there's another team in football so unbalanced. I know I've never seen a Villa squad so strong at one end of the pitch and so weak at the other. I think our forward line would be in the argument for the best in the division. I think our back line would be in the argument for the worst in the division. A new manager coming in will need to make that point long and loud. Pep, Jose and a 40 year old Ron Saunders would struggle to get wins out of this squad right now - and I think if we expect a new manager to come in and suddenly turn us around we're in for a rude awakening and he's in for a really hard time of it. The new man whoever it may be will need to make a lot of noise about the weakness of our defence if he's to allow himself a honeymoon that lasts until January, when hopefully there's scope under FFP for us to sort it out. i think whoever comes in gets a bit of a free kick this season particularly for the things you've stated about the squad, similar to Bruce when he took over from RDM. Not much was expected (and not much achieved) but we kept him for another season and a bit. This is why im more open to Henry coming in compared to how i felt at the start of the season, whether he can take us forward or not is another question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Our defence isn't great and there is a worrying lack of specialist depth, even if we have a lot of utility defenders. But I don't think it's that bad for the championship - all teams have weaknesses down here. Perhaps playing the same players in the same positions might help. Perhaps setting up as a team where everyone knows their role and defending from the front as one. Pretty sure that many managers could make us look better at the back as well as unleashing the talent we have up front. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, One For The Road said: How do you mean? Platt has treated the club with contempt since he left. Its very well documented. And tbh, there isn't anything positive coming out of this club and hasn't been for a long while. So in answer to your question, not at the moment, no. I'm a realist and it's served me very well in life, I don't wear claret and blue tinted glasses and thinks we are better than we are, that we have superstar players and that we are getting Wenger as manager. I only pointed out that contrary to your point about players being touched by the club, my favourite ever Villa player doesn't share that view. That's all. I’m not arguing individual points and I have no knowledge of how David Platt was treated by the club. I do agree he was a brilliant player for us. You just seem to have a need to shoot down anything positive anyone has to say about the club. You can wrap it up in a cloak of realism, and to be fair to you the club has given you plenty of reason to lean to scepticism, but people are allowed to have happy memories and to dream a little. Being a fan of most clubs is quite often a hard ride, but we stay on the horse for the often brief but joyous good times. Part of the deal is that we are allowed to dream a little and very occasionally those dreams come true. Take away anything, but please don’t take away the hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Skills said: how many points in front do you think we'd be if they had Bruce and we had Lampard? Is Biesla doing ok at Leeds? they're only 7 points ahead of us, add the 2 points from Whelan so less than 2 games away... Why the hell did we get rid of Bruce again??? This is what people who look at the table but don’t watch the games would ask. Leeds are 7 points ahead of us but are playing teams off the park and missing chances. The results will come. We are on the other hand are scraping points thanks to last minute goals and moments of good play. Don’t be fooled by the 7 point difference. As for Lampard. I bet Derby would expect better than what they’ve seen so far after he has had 2 years in charge! Edited October 5, 2018 by Vive_La_Villa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: Being a fan of mos Part of the deal is that we are allowed to dream a little and very occasionally those dreams come true. Take away anything, but please don’t take away the hope. I don't want to take away anyone's hope. If you want or need hope then that's up to you. But when I get told I should be embarrassed for not thinking we will land a world class manager when we are in division 2 and can't spend any money, it gets ridiculous. Hope gets you nowhere, and in fact can cause problems. If people are more realistic about a new manager then when that more realistic manager arrives at VP, there won't be that come down from the hope of Arsene Wenger arriving and he may be given a fair crack of the whip. Hoping for a totally unrealistic signing is totally and utterly pointless. Edited October 5, 2018 by One For The Road 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: This is what people who look at the table but don’t watch the games would ask. Leeds are 7 points ahead of us but are playing teams off the park and missing chances. The results will come. We are on the other hand are scraping points thanks to last minute goals and moments of good play. Don’t be fooled by the 7 point difference. As for Lampard. I bet Derby would expect better than what they’ve seen so far after he has had 2 years in charge! You could argue that we have been scoring goals with out of sorts team, with a manager who sets his team up to be defensive. You could argue that we have been shipping goals with a back four with 2-3 players out of position each game. If we can sort both of the above out we should be able to continue scoring goals at a more impressive rate whilst tightening up at the back. It's a simplistic view but it's what any manager coming in should be looking to do from the off. We have the best attacking players in the league in Abraham, Hogan, Kodjia, Grealish, Bolasie, McGinn and Hourihane; we now need a manager who can use them in the correct way, get the best out of them and get them playing possesion based, attacking, free flowing football. This squad should be able to do this comfortably in the way we have seen Newcastle, Brighton, Wolves and Fulham do it over the last two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 5, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, One For The Road said: Hoping for a totally unrealistic signing is totally and utterly pointless. Someone like Dean Smith is going to have no chance here when some fans are expecting us to get Benitez or Wenger. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, One For The Road said: I don't want to take away anyone's hope. If you want or need hope then that's up to you. But when I get told I should be embarrassed for not thinking we will land a world class manager when we are in division 2 and can't spend any money, it gets ridiculous. Hope gets you nowhere, and in fact can cause problems. If people are more realistic about a new manager then when that more realistic manager arrives at VP, there won't be that come down from the hope of Arsene Wenger arriving and he may be given a fair crack of the whip. Hoping for a totally unrealistic signing is totally and utterly pointless. What are you classing as a realistic manager? Allardyce, Pardew, McCarthy? Henry, Smith, Terry? I have a feeling that the new owners want to make a statement which is why we are seeing reports of Rodgers, Benitez, Fonseca... if we can attempt it then lets attempt it. In the summer would you have said we realistically had a chance of bringing in Bolasie & Abraham? I wouldn't Granted I have seen some ridiculous names in Wenger, Guardiola etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Please tell me this Moyes chit chat is bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Just now, Stevo985 said: Someone like Dean Smith is going to have no chance here when some fans are expecting us to get Benitez or Wenger. Exactly. And that's my point. Being realistic in your expectations is a good thing. (That is unless you personally have the chance to do something about it. Which of course, none of us do in this case.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: This is what people who look at the table but don’t watch the games would ask. Leeds are 7 points ahead of us but are playing teams off the park and missing chances. The results will come. We are on the other hand are scraping points thanks to last minute goals and moments of good play. Don’t be fooled by the 7 point difference. As for Lampard. I bet Derby would expect better than what they’ve seen so far after he has had 2 years in charge! What you said. I'd like to add that we've played a lot of teams who, judging form over the first quarter of the season, seem destined to be in a relegation battle. We won a couple of those games with last minute goals and then we drew against the likes of Ipswich, Reading and Preston. In those games we were incapable of putting any pressure on 10-man Ipswich (apparently—I didn't see it) and were ripped to pieces and literally fell apart against Preston. When we've played the better teams, bar Brentford and that one-off performance (where we scraped a draw but were arguably the better team), we got absolutely nailed by Sheffield United, beaten by Sheffield Wednesday and, fair enough, drew in a in-normal-circumstances-acceptable result against Bristol. My point is, we have dropped massive points against teams we should be beating and we've been beaten by teams we should be competing with. Edited October 5, 2018 by praisedmambo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, wilko154 said: You could argue that we have been scoring goals with out of sorts team, with a manager who sets his team up to be defensive. You could argue that we have been shipping goals with a back four with 2-3 players out of position each game. If we can sort both of the above out we should be able to continue scoring goals at a more impressive rate whilst tightening up at the back. It's a simplistic view but it's what any manager coming in should be looking to do from the off. We have the best attacking players in the league in Abraham, Hogan, Kodjia, Grealish, Bolasie, McGinn and Hourihane; we now need a manager who can use them in the correct way, get the best out of them and get them playing possesion based, attacking, free flowing football. This squad should be able to do this comfortably in the way we have seen Newcastle, Brighton, Wolves and Fulham do it over the last two seasons. Brentford and maybe Blackburn aside we have been fairly clinical. We’re not creating enough. With the players we have we should be carving out a lot more chances throught creativity and movement. We need to dominate games and put teams on the back foot. Again like we did against Brentford for 70 minutes. This is what I’m hoping a new manager can bring but the problem is it will take time and we also may have to many weaknesses in certain areas for the whole team to be able to play a certain way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, One For The Road said: I don't want to take away anyone's hope. If you want or need hope then that's up to you. But when I get told I should be embarrassed for not thinking we will land a world class manager when we are in division 2 and can't spend any money, it gets ridiculous. Hope gets you nowhere, and in fact can cause problems. If people are more realistic about a new manager then when that more realistic manager arrives at VP, there won't be that come down from the hope of Arsene Wenger arriving and he may be given a fair crack of the whip. Hoping for a totally unrealistic signing is totally and utterly pointless. A positive attitude has proven to be extremely advantageous in most if not all aspects of life. It’s about balance, setting achievable goals and all that. What you believe to be achievable is of course down to each individual. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 minute ago, wilko154 said: What are you classing as a realistic manager? Allardyce, Pardew, McCarthy? Henry, Smith, Terry? I have a feeling that the new owners want to make a statement which is why we are seeing reports of Rodgers, Benitez, Fonseca... if we can attempt it then lets attempt it. In the summer would you have said we realistically had a chance of bringing in Bolasie & Abraham? I wouldn't Granted I have seen some ridiculous names in Wenger, Guardiola etc. That's a false equivocation. Signing an unwanted Everton winger on loan or a player who was on loan at Swansea, is not the same as hiring the Shaktar mananger or Arsene Wenger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 5, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, wilko154 said: Granted I have seen some ridiculous names in Wenger, Guardiola etc. Just to be clear, I don't think anyone has suggested Guardiola And if they have then they are mentally ill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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