Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: It was clearly offside before they even drew the lines. Everyone was baffled as to why it took so long because it was obvious Not to the commentators it certainly wasn't, they had no idea. Then neither the referee or linesman, they didn't give it because it was not obvious at all. Hence it took just over four minutes by VAR. 35 minutes ago, imavillan said: what you don't see from that angle/screenshot is the point when the ball is being played forward. Absolutely no idea. Lines can be drawn at anytime, but if you cant see when the ball is being played forward then it's guess work at best and that imo is why they took 3 minutes 45 seconds to make a decision. Yeah exactly, certainly was NOT 'Clear and Obvious'... 1 minute ago, tinker said: You cant judge it as offside without seeing both the player in aline and the player who played the ball, when it was played/struck. On first look, in live play it looked offside, I saw a video from the other side of the pitch and It looked closer. The real bad decision against Everton was the Diaby leg breaker, I don't even care the penalty wasn't given its just that a career changing challenge was completely ignored, disgraceful tbh. Saka and Arsenal would have had the whole Everton team sent off for that and the media attention would be huge, we get nothing. Agreed, only with that line did it look offside and it was from a specific angle. Took four minutes which is ridiculously long... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 17 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Not to the commentators it certainly wasn't, they had no idea. Then neither the referee or linesman, they didn't give it because it was not obvious at all. Hence it took just over four minutes by VAR. Yeah exactly, certainly was NOT 'Clear and Obvious'... Agreed, only with that line did it look offside and it was from a specific angle. Took four minutes which is ridiculously long... The commentators could see Bailey was offside. They were confused, like everyone else, as to why it was taking so long and why they were looking at the position of Lenglet after Moreno shot. Nobody was in any doubt about whether Bailey was on or off. It doesn't have to be clear and obvious for offside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Has anybody else enjoyed watching the FA Cup matches without VAR. I certainly have. The games flow and it's nice to watch them without the stop start, is it, isn't it situations. If the ref gets it wrong he gets it wrong. Get on with the game. From what i've watched they've got the vast majority of the decisions right. I'm guessing they haven't got the added pressure of VAR or the mindset of it being called back if they get it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: The commentators could see Bailey was offside. They were confused, like everyone else, as to why it was taking so long and why they were looking at the position of Lenglet after Moreno shot. Nobody was in any doubt about whether Bailey was on or off. It doesn't have to be clear and obvious for offside Nah, for a few minutes they thought it was a goal too... They spent awhile talking about the possible infringement by Lenglet before arriving at offside... So obvious neither the referee nor linesman gave it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 17 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 17 (edited) 1 minute ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: So obvious neither the referee nor linesman gave it... Obvious on a replay isn't the same as being obvious in real time. Obviously I didn't mean it was obvious in real time, I was talking about from the pictures we were shown. Also: 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It doesn't have to be clear and obvious for offside Edited January 17 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 That's where being able to hear what they're talking to each other about would be handy. None of us had a clue about the process they were going through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Obvious on a replay isn't the same as being obvious in real time. Obviously I didn't mean it was obvious in real time, I was talking about from the pictures we were shown. Also: Yeah, obvious but not obvious...got ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 17 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 17 45 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: That's where being able to hear what they're talking to each other about would be handy. None of us had a clue about the process they were going through. 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Why does VAR even have to be sat elsewhere when there is a monitor on the ground? If the onfield ref, linos, or 4th official want to review something, just let them check the pitchside monitors themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, a-k said: Why does VAR even have to be sat elsewhere when there is a monitor on the ground? If the onfield ref, linos, or 4th official want to review something, just let them check the pitchside monitors themselves. I assume the equipment used is fairly complex and uses more than one screen. The VAR then plays to the ref what he wants/needs to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 9 minutes ago, a-k said: Why does VAR even have to be sat elsewhere when there is a monitor on the ground? If the onfield ref, linos, or 4th official want to review something, just let them check the pitchside monitors themselves. You say that but then NFL does the same, they do every game from New York From what I've seen they're also completely annoynmous too, it's just footage being reviewed by New York That's what football should be too, a room full of people, some from a reffing background some shit hot youngsters who can navigate the cameras and IT To me almost like the pitch ref where I see 50+ year old John moss bumbling round for 90 minutes looking g like he's struggling I also don't see a man who can fly round 6 camera angles in 10 seconds, I'm tempted to say that's what it needs as the team, if theres potentially 4 camera angles for a penalty incident then have 4 guys 1 for each angle, our game our incident why do they spend a minute looking at the offside then a minute looking at the foul then a minute looking at the interfering with play, 5/6 man team multi tasking I really hope PGMOL are specifically targeting VAR specialists, instead so far it's more jobs for the boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Watching MOTD and arsenal’s second goal involves Jesus clearly obstructing the palace goalie on the corner in question. Does VaR check it? No Meanwhile a month ago Ramsey does a similar thing to the Sheffield united goalie and the goal is disallowed despite the goal coming about a minute later in a different phase of play. Make it make sense. Meanwhile MOTD’s analysis focusses almost entirely on how arsenal’s set piece coach is a genius because he’s taught players to obstruct the palace defenders on corners leading to free headers. (No danny Murphy in sight of course) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Is the Toney moving the ball incident not proof of VAR not consentrating on the game. Surely they would have advised the ref, Toney moved the ball if they had seen it. Yes other teams do it, but not generally to the extent Toney did it, he actually moves it twice. If VAR saw the incident I would have expected them to advise and the goal not to be given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovenian Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 anybody watching Real vs Almeria? or should i say Real+var vs Almeria... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 35 minutes ago, slovenian said: anybody watching Real vs Almeria? or should i say Real+var vs Almeria... Won it in the 99th minute 3-2 Real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovenian Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 ridiculous match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 PGMOL are a laughing stock to players - after not giving that disgraceful pen, the Sheff United player responsible shared a photo with a song about WWE wrestler Randy Orton hitting his opponent with his finishing move the RKO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 No VAR at our game on Friday despite it being all Prem very dodgy imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HongKongVillan Posted January 23 VT Supporter Share Posted January 23 14 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: No VAR at our game on Friday despite it being all Prem very dodgy imo Where did you see this? If true, then why the change all of a sudden? VAR maintenance at the Stam Bridge? That's not good for how we play on high line against their pacey players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 21/01/2024 at 20:31, The_Steve said: PGMOL are a laughing stock to players - after not giving that disgraceful pen, the Sheff United player responsible shared a photo with a song about WWE wrestler Randy Orton hitting his opponent with his finishing move the RKO. It looks like a foul on Bowen, but why is he in the air?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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