StefanAVFC Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 21 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Why they've never published the decisions they make post-match to me is a missed chance to give much-needed transparency. Explain decisions. Explain the changes in phases of play. They don't want the additional scrutiny, however. VAR is spending minutes on decisions not because it's 100% correct, but they are measuring metrics to disallow goals that didn't really happen 18 months ago. It honestly feels like there's a recent memo to try and disallow more goals. Not to mention the utter absurd hand ball rules they keep changing too. That we still haven’t heard anything about the SU game absolutely stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 14 hours ago, Stevo985 said: VAR constantly seems like it’s desperately trying to deny goals. While I don't necessarily disagree, you get mass outrage either way. If something is 'close', like was Lenglet foulng him? (ignoring the actual offside aspect) you will get people on both sides complain when the decision they believe should be given isn't given. Diaby's goal at Burnley and 2 of our goals against Brighton could've been chalked off and there were complaints at the time. Just a point that even when VAR gives goals in grey areas, people will still not be hapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Match Officials Mic'd Up: Webb analyses key incidents in MW17-21 (premierleague.com) What is the point of the AVAR? He clearly disagrees with the VAR here but never speaks up. Farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 17 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17 Really not sure what AVAR is contributing there. Tis just another voice to muddy the waters based on that. Seems pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 22 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Really not sure what AVAR is contributing there. Tis just another voice to muddy the waters based on that. Seems pointless. To me it's even worse than that. He clearly thinks it's a foul but doesn't speak up The AVAR in the Odegaard handball is worse. His contribution is 'yes, i agree' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) Villa have been done a few times now... Penalty against Sheff. Utd, blatant two-handed push in the box on Watkins. Definite pen. Disallowed goal against Everton, definitely onside. Still a shocking decision. Same game the challenge/assault from Tarkowski on Diaby; the more I see it, looks like a penalty and card offence. Potentially has cost the Villa four points in the PL. Edited January 17 by Zhan_Zhuang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Villa have been done a few times now... Penalty against Sheff. Utd, blatant two-handed push in the box on Watkins. Definite pen. Disallowed goal against Everton, definitely onside. Still a shocking decision. Same game the challenge/assault from Tarkowski on Diaby; the more I see it, looks like a penalty and card offence. Potentially has cost the Villa four points in the PL. The SU one was the 3rd worst decision in the game. The disallowed goal was clearly a new phase of play and Baldock clearly handballs it. But the Everton one was offside Edited January 17 by StefanAVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: The SU one was the 3rd worst decision in the game. The disallowed goal was clearly a new phase of play and Baldock clearly handballs it. But the Everton one was offside No way... The rules are 'clear and obvious', they took over three minutes to make a decision. Edited January 17 by Zhan_Zhuang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 17 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: No way... The rules are 'clear and obvious', they took over three minutes to make a decision. "clear and obvious" is the worst thing about VAR and always has been It was offside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: "clear and obvious" is the worst thing about VAR and always has been It was offside Certainly wasn't clear and obvious as it took three minutes... The commentators were speechless with the decision which says a lot, looked level to me... Edited January 17 by Zhan_Zhuang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 We had enough bad decisions this season without calling correct ones wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Certainly wasn't clear and obvious as it took three minutes... The commentators were speechless with the decision which says a lot, looked level to me... They were speechless because they didn't know what the hell was going on...one line drawn for offside but not the other, then looking at Lenglet either fouling or being in keeper's view, etc, then back to original offside view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 45 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Villa have been done a few times now... Penalty against Sheff. Utd, blatant two-handed push in the box on Watkins. Definite pen. Disallowed goal against Everton, definitely onside. Still a shocking decision. Same game the challenge/assault from Tarkowski on Diaby; the more I see it, looks like a penalty and card offence. Potentially has cost the Villa four points in the PL. But then, at the same time, get a soft penalty against Burnley (given), don't concede a penalty against Brentford (McGinn for me, others think Konsa should've conceded one). We tend to only look one way as fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 32 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: We had enough bad decisions this season without calling correct ones wrong Seeing that angle it looks offside, fair enough.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 17 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: No way... The rules are 'clear and obvious', they took over three minutes to make a decision. Clear & Obvious doesn't apply to offsides. It either is or it isn't. Edited January 17 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 17 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Certainly wasn't clear and obvious as it took three minutes... The commentators were speechless with the decision which says a lot, looked level to me... It was clearly offside before they even drew the lines. Everyone was baffled as to why it took so long because it was obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I think Trafford was as soft as a tub of spunk. There, I said it. He made no attempt to stand his ground. You can argue he's been impeded slightly but he's doing likewise and if it stops keepers doing triple salchows and getting fouls every week for being farted on. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Seeing that angle it looks offside, fair enough.. what you don't see from that angle/screenshot is the point when the ball is being played forward. Absolutely no idea. Lines can be drawn at anytime, but if you cant see when the ball is being played forward then it's guess work at best and that imo is why they took 3 minutes 45 seconds to make a decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 31 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: I think Trafford was as soft as a tub of spunk. There, I said it. He made no attempt to stand his ground. You can argue he's been impeded slightly but he's doing likewise and if it stops keepers doing triple salchows and getting fouls every week for being farted on. Great. He was soft but he was still fouled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 17 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17 2 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: We had enough bad decisions this season without calling correct ones wrong You cant judge it as offside without seeing both the player in aline and the player who played the ball, when it was played/struck. On first look, in live play it looked offside, I saw a video from the other side of the pitch and It looked closer. The real bad decision against Everton was the Diaby leg breaker, I don't even care the penalty wasn't given its just that a career changing challenge was completely ignored, disgraceful tbh. Saka and Arsenal would have had the whole Everton team sent off for that and the media attention would be huge, we get nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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