Vive_La_Villa Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: You keep missing the point. It's not that people would rather BE white. It's that people would rather have the advantages that white people get. Put it this way: if you could swap how our society treats you with how our society treats non-white people, would you do it? And people keep missing my point! Well I can hardly do what you suggested in last question as I'm not white which I have already mentioned a few times. But would I swap how society treats me to how society treats whites? No I wouldn't because I haven't got a problem with how society treats me. It's made me the person I am today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Brown any day! Who wants to be white? Stand up ... Michael Jackson !! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 17, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2018 Just out of interest, can we all put our cards on the table, and declare our ethnicity? FWIW, I'm white English (with English and Irish parents). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Just out of interest, can we all put our cards on the table, and declare our ethnicity? FWIW, I'm white English (with English and Irish parents). Does it make a difference to the conversation? Im British with Punjabi parents. My skin colour is brown. I've never struggled to find a job in my profession. I've found it fascinating how it's been assumed throughout that I am white due to my views. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Does it make a difference to the conversation? Im British with Punjabi parents. My skin colour is brown. I've never struggled to find a job in my profession. I've found it fascinating how it's been assumed throughout that I am white due to my views. Dude, you're more of a cracker than I'll ever be! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 17, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: And people keep missing my point! Well I can hardly do what you suggested in last question as I'm not white which I have already mentioned a few times. But would I swap how society treats me to how society treats whites? No I wouldn't because I haven't got a problem with how society treats me. It's made me the person I am today. Apologies, I only dipped in and out of the past few pages so missed where you stated your ethnicity. However I would say that your last sentence does suggest you acknowledge the difference in how society treats races, you are just ok with it for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Chinese / Dwarf / Ginger 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Does it make a difference to the conversation? Im British with Punjabi parents. My skin colour is brown. I've never struggled to find a job in my profession. I've found it fascinating how it's been assumed throughout that I am white due to my views. I don't get it. Because you, a single person, didn't have any issues finding a job...the disadvantage for people like you in general is not real? Despite the wealth of research that proves that it is? Universities. Jobs. Housing. Banking. There is a wealth of evidence that points to the fact that on average, non-white people are at a significant disadvantage in these areas. These are some of the most important aspects of our lives might I add. But you seem to want to ignore that in favour of anecdotal evidence? Why is that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Does it make a difference to the conversation? Im British with Punjabi parents. My skin colour is brown. I've never struggled to find a job in my profession. I've found it fascinating how it's been assumed throughout that I am white due to my views. As @NurembergVillan said the other day, avatars etc shouldn't be perceived as being that person. ... If so I'd have attempted to shag @Demitri_C a long time ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Universities. Jobs. Housing. Banking. There is a wealth of evidence that points to the fact that on average, non-white people are at a significant disadvantage in these areas. Could you just expand on that please? Interested to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Keyblade said: I don't get it. Because you, a single person, didn't have any issues finding a job...the disadvantage for people like you in general is not real? Despite the wealth of research that proves that it is? Universities. Jobs. Housing. Banking. There is a wealth of evidence that points to the fact that on average, non-white people are at a significant disadvantage in these areas. These are some of the most important aspects of our lives might I add. But you seem to want to ignore that in favour of anecdotal evidence? Why is that? How many times do I have to say I'm not ignoring it. I've acknowledged it. I know it's there. I've been saying along it should not be an excuse to not try or give up. That has been my point all along. 11 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Apologies, I only dipped in and out of the past few pages so missed where you stated your ethnicity. However I would say that your last sentence does suggest you acknowledge the difference in how society treats races, you are just ok with it for whatever reason. As above I'm not ok with it. I just don't think being angry about it and having a chip on your shoulder gets a person anywhere. From my experience it feels like white people (and this is just in the uk) seem to be angry about the injustice in society than those that experience it. Edit: @Keyblade I can't speak for every Indian in the country. But I can say that it's normally expected within the society that an Indian living in the uk does not suffer from any sort of income poverty. It's quite rare if they do. Sorry if the research does not back this up. Edited February 17, 2018 by Vive_La_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Universities. Jobs. Housing. Banking. There is a wealth of evidence that points to the fact that on average, non-white people are at a significant disadvantage in these areas. These are some of the most important aspects of our lives might I add. But you seem to want to ignore that in favour of anecdotal evidence? Why is that? Are you absolutely sure about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Are you absolutely sure about this? I suspect he is referring to America with housing and banking because no way does ethnicity affect that here. Everyones money is the same colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, Xela said: Chinese / Dwarf / Ginger Is that your order of preference when you request a home visit? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Just out of interest, can we all put our cards on the table, and declare our ethnicity? FWIW, I'm white English (with English and Irish parents). And I'm White British who arrived from English & Scottish parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Xela said: Could you just expand on that please? Interested to hear. In the States, Wells Fargo in particular has a long and well-documented history of discrimination. Here's an excerpt from a very interesting and detailed article unpacking it Quote At the heart of the lawsuit is a claim that the bank had "a widespread pattern or practice of discrimination," directing minority borrowers toward more expensive or riskier loans, even if they were eligible for more affordable, safer options. By doing this, the plaintiffs say Wells Fargo repeatedly targeted minority customers at a disproportionate rate. According to the plaintiffs in the lawsuit, these actions were not taken to increase profit. Instead, they were done just to be shitty toward people of color. If proven in court, the bank will have violated the Fair Housing Act, a nearly 50-year-old federal law implemented to prevent housing discrimination. I know that in the UK the banks are known to discriminate against black businesses in particular. Not to mention they are twice as likely to deny refunds to black victims of fraud. Quote Black victims of fraud are more than twice as likely to be denied a refund by their bank as white customers, according to figures seen by The Times. More than a fifth of people who complained about not getting their money back were from ethnic minorities, even though they make up only about 10 per cent of the population. Ethnic minorities also appear less likely to be reimbursed at some banks than others, according to a survey of complaints to the ombudsman. From the Times Quote "We know that 35% of individuals from black African origin say they want to start a business, but only 6% actually do. Are they having problems accessing the loans they need?" he said. "Past evidence shows that firms owned by individuals of black African origin have been four times more likely than so-called 'white firms' to be denied loans outright. And that Bangladeshi, Pakistani, black Caribbean and black African owned businesses have been subject to higher interest rates than white and Indian owned enterprises." Nick Clegg's take on the matter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Big eared, bald, white european. Name suggests Irish, genes suggest elderly parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 minute ago, snowychap said: Is that your order of preference when you request a home visit? Yet to find one with all the above qualities. My quest continues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I suspect he is referring to America with housing and banking because no way does ethnicity affect that here. Ahhh, I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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