NurembergVillan Posted November 6, 2017 Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2017 4 hours ago, ender4 said: Why are the called Paradise papers? Who leaked these papers? Phil Collins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 6, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2017 I thought it was John Milton. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Human greed never ceases to amaze me. These people have amassed multiple lifetimes' worth of wealth...but they always want more, at all costs. In America, the rich are literally screwing over the rest of the country (and the world in the case of Big Oil) raw just for some extra money to top off their war chests. I just can't understand it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityRoadSteps Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I thought it was John Milton. Nah. He just found them 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 6, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: Human greed never ceases to amaze me. These people have amassed multiple lifetimes' worth of wealth...but they always want more, at all costs. In America, the rich are literally screwing over the rest of the country (and the world in the case of Big Oil) raw just for some extra money to top off their war chests. I just can't understand it. Same here. Once I got to the point where I had more money than I could spend, I'd give it away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 I'm sick to death of hearing about all these wealthy businesses and people getting away with all kinds of financial gain, and us normal folk getting jumped on financially. It's just plain **** wrong. Made my blood boil today when I heard about it on the news. I knew about it anyway, but it just made me more angry today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 6, 2017 Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 hours ago, mjmooney said: I thought it was John Milton. “The police are investigating at tremendous cost. In my house he wrote 'his red right hand'. That, I'm told, is from Paradise Lost” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 6, 2017 Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2017 Bono. F&£k)(g Bono. The hypocritical a-hole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Seat68 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 I see known tax avoider Lewis Hamilton has been avoiding tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted November 7, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Seat68 said: I see known cock Lewis Hamilton has been a cock. Corrected for you to cover any and all his activities. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 7, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2017 Interesting as all this is, it'll be more interesting to see what, if anything, happens to it. There isn't much illegality here (that we're aware of, you can guarantee there's a thing or 2 that is dodgy in there - though I'd bet HMRC would be interested in the scheme the Mrs Brown's Boys lot has going on) but it's all verging on that immoral/taking the piss borderline. The problem would be how you can actually resolve that though. At the moment they aren't doing anything wrong but it's clearly the kind of thing that's going to get people's backs up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Straggler Posted November 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2017 Old, but still very true 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 7, 2017 Moderator Share Posted November 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Chindie said: Interesting as all this is, it'll be more interesting to see what, if anything, happens to it. There isn't much illegality here (that we're aware of, you can guarantee there's a thing or 2 that is dodgy in there - though I'd bet HMRC would be interested in the scheme the Mrs Brown's Boys lot has going on) but it's all verging on that immoral/taking the piss borderline. The problem would be how you can actually resolve that though. At the moment they aren't doing anything wrong but it's clearly the kind of thing that's going to get people's backs up. Well there was an interesting piece re Hamilton his jet and the Isle of Man last night. The rule underwhich he reclaimed the VAT on the aircraft was such that it excluded the use of the jet for personal activity. It’s quite clear from social media that he uses it for private activity. They also showed documents that showed the IoM had in other cases knowingly given such rebates when they shouldn’t have done so. They have as a result of this leak called in the UK tax authorities to review. So whole not illegal it’s clear that some immoral activity has been occurring which could and should be stopped through better governance and the application of the current rules. But as you say most of what is happening isn’t illegal so without changes to statute things won’t change especially when there is no political will to change things due to one form of self interest or other. I think the only real change from things like this will come from public shaming as happened with Jimmy Carr. It is though like putting a plaster on a bucket with no base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 I'd be focusing on the blame on these peoples devious accountants rather than the people themselves. They are clearly just told we can get around this with loopholes do you want us to sort it for you, i have to admit i would be tempted if put in that scenario. They are just human beings after all. Except Bono of course, he is definitely just a cock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Quite simply, the laws on tax avoidance should be changed and elaborate schemes should be made illegal. What we have is not a democracy but a plutocracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 It's all perfectly legal. Don't hate the player, hate the game. It just shows how much we need a different government. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 7, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2017 You'd need more than new government. You'd need to have a government prepared and capable of tearing up the entire tax system and withstanding the outright mess you'd get before you cleared it up, and would need to stand up to the sheer weight of influence of lobbyists and their wealthy backers, and the power of the people and businesses who rather like the way things are right now. And you'd need to extend things to international influence, which isn't going to happen. The systems ****. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Chindie said: You'd need more than new government. You'd need to have a government prepared and capable of tearing up the entire tax system and withstanding the outright mess you'd get before you cleared it up, and would need to stand up to the sheer weight of influence of lobbyists and their wealthy backers, and the power of the people and businesses who rather like the way things are right now. And you'd need to extend things to international influence, which isn't going to happen. The systems ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, darrenm said: No chance. its bigger than a politician or party. its the world today its wrong 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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