vreitti Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Think we need to sign some more players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinte_Pest Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 errr how big is our first team squad at the moment? I'm guessing a little bigger than 20, even minus Vertout, Gill, Elphick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Hopefully the chop shop will include the following: 1. Richards 2. Cissokho (looks likely) 3. Veretout (imminent) 4. Gardner 5. Elphick (looks likely) 6. Sanchez (gone) 7. Gil (gone) 8. Bacuna 9. Steer (loan) 10. Hutton 11. Tshibola clear that lot out and our wage bill would be dramatically cut and the squad in much better shape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 We arguably need two players for each position plus some youth. Backups in brackets. So; GK Johnstone (Steer) GOALKEEPERS TO LEAVE; Bunn RB Bree (DeLaet) CBs Chester Terry (Baker Samba) LB Taylor (Amavi) DEFENDERS TO LEAVE: Hutton, Richards, Elphick and assuming Cissokho RM Adomah (Elmo) CMs Hourihane Whelen (Lansbury Bjarnason) LM Green (Grealish) MIDFIELDERS TO LEAVE: Jedinak, Bacuna, Gardner, Tshibola and assuming Veretout STs Kodjia Hogan (McCormack Agbonlahor) That's 10 earmarked for departure on my list. Any more ins may change that. Rest of the spots go to youth. Very manageable squad, no areas lacking cover. Still hate the midfield though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daweii Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Infinte_Pest said: errr how big is our first team squad at the moment? I'm guessing a little bigger than 20, even minus Vertout, Gill, Elphick We have 37 players in our first-team squad as of 14th July 2017. Removing the youth/u-23's we have 28 players in our first-team squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Daweii said: We have 37 players in our first-team squad as of 14th July 2017. Removing the youth/u-23's we have 28 players in our first-team squad. I make it 29 (but that is including Green as a first team squad member) Jed Steer GK Mark Bunn GK Sam Johnstone GK Pierluigi Gollini GK (Loaned out) Nathan Baker DF Neil Taylor DF Micah Richards DF Tommy Elphick DF James Chester DF James Bree DF Alan Hutton DF Jordan Amavi DF Ritchie De Laet DF Aly Cissokho DF Carles Gil MF (Loaned out) Henri Lansbury MF Leandro Bacuna MF Aaron Tshibola MF Conor Hourihane MF Jordan Veretout MF Andre Green MF Birkir Bjarnason MF Gary Gardner MF Carlos Sanchez MF (Loaned out till end of contract) Mile Jedinak MF Albert Adomah MF Jordan Lyden MF Jack Grealish MF Scott Hogan ST Gabby Agbonlahor ST Jonathan Kodjia ST Ross McCormack ST Edited July 21, 2017 by TheStagMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, TheStagMan said: I make it 29 Jed Steer GK Mark Bunn GK Sam Johnstone GK Pierluigi Gollini GK (Loaned out) Nathan Baker DF Neil Taylor DF Micah Richards DF Tommy Elphick DF James Chester DF James Bree DF Alan Hutton DF Jordan Amavi DF Ritchie De Laet DF Aly Cissokho DF Carles Gil MF (Loaned out) Henri Lansbury MF Leandro Bacuna MF Aaron Tshibola MF Conor Hourihane MF Jordan Veretout MF Andre Green MF Birkir Bjarnason MF Gary Gardner MFCarlos Sanchez MF (Loaned out till end of contract) Mile Jedinak MF Albert Adomah MF Jordan Lyden MF Jack Grealish MF Scott Hogan ST Gabby Agbonlahor ST Jonathan Kodjia ST Ross McCormack ST Sanchez has left permanently i think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, daggy_333 said: Sanchez has left permanently i think? effectively, but i think it is a 2 year loan deal and technically he is still a Villa player. I didn't count him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 19/20 you say and 5/6 youth team? Hmmm how about GK - Johnstone - Steer - Sarkic DR - DeLaet - Bree DC - Chester - Baker - Samba - Terry DL - Taylor - Amavi MR - Adomah - Elmohamady MC - Jedinak - Lansbury - Hourihane - Bjarnason - Lyden ML - Grealish - Green ST - Kodjia - Hogan - Agbonlahor - Hepburn-Murphy - Davis So no place for - BUNN - HUTTON - ELPHICK - RICHARDS - CISSOKHO - BACUNA - TSHIBOLA - GARDNER - VERETOUT - McCORMACK in my reckoning 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 I suspect Bruce will want to include Whelan in the squad. I'd also swap Veretout with Bjarnason and RMC with Gabby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, VILLAMARV said: 19/20 you say and 5/6 youth team? Hmmm how about GK - Johnstone - Steer - Sarkic DR - DeLaet - Bree DC - Chester - Baker - Samba - Terry DL - Taylor - Amavi MR - Adomah - Elmohamady MC - Jedinak - Lansbury - Hourihane - Bjarnason - Lyden ML - Grealish - Green ST - Kodjia - Hogan - Agbonlahor - Hepburn-Murphy - Davis So no place for - BUNN - HUTTON - ELPHICK - RICHARDS - CISSOKHO - BACUNA - TSHIBOLA - GARDNER - VERETOUT - McCORMACK in my reckoning Swap Davis for McCormack and swap Amavi for either Bedau or Borg and I'd be fairly happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Gabby, Hutton, Elphick, McCormack, Jedinak, Richards. I know Jedi played a big part last season, but with his massive wages, limited ability, injuries, age and us hopefully developing a totally different style of play I think he should be moved on. If I'm counting low that is probably £200k-250k/w in wages that will spend the lion part on the bench or in the stands, or injured. Then it's Gardner, Cissokho, Amavi & Veretout (sadly) Bunn? Bacuna, Tshibola,. That's 13 players who could/should be out the door for various reasons. Be it financial, attitude, ability or simply over crowding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 16 hours ago, jackbauer24 said: We arguably need two players for each position plus some youth. Backups in brackets. So; GK Johnstone (Steer) GOALKEEPERS TO LEAVE; Bunn RB Bree (DeLaet) CBs Chester Terry (Baker Samba) LB Taylor (Amavi) DEFENDERS TO LEAVE: Hutton, Richards, Elphick and assuming Cissokho RM Adomah (Elmo) CMs Hourihane Whelen (Lansbury Bjarnason) LM Green (Grealish) MIDFIELDERS TO LEAVE: Jedinak, Bacuna, Gardner, Tshibola and assuming Veretout STs Kodjia Hogan (McCormack Agbonlahor) That's 10 earmarked for departure on my list. Any more ins may change that. Rest of the spots go to youth. Very manageable squad, no areas lacking cover. Still hate the midfield though... Jedinak?! Wtf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 2 hours ago, wilko154 said: Jedinak?! Wtf It's really simple; do you want to see Jedinak and Whelen in the same team? Therefore Jedinak is surplus to requirements. Besides, we only used him for defensive reasons (it's been well discussed how awful his passing is) but now we have Terry in defence too. He's just not needed and we should sell him while we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 1 hour ago, jackbauer24 said: It's really simple; do you want to see Jedinak and Whelen in the same team? Therefore Jedinak is surplus to requirements. Besides, we only used him for defensive reasons (it's been well discussed how awful his passing is) but now we have Terry in defence too. He's just not needed and we should sell him while we can. So when Wheelan is ruled out for the season in game 1.. who will you pick? Madness. We need two. When Jedinak was out last season.. we struggled badly.. We had to move Lansbury and Hourihane deeper. No thanks. Keep them both. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, KSV said: So when Wheelan is ruled out for the season in game 1.. who will you pick? Madness. We need two. When Jedinak was out last season.. we struggled badly.. We had to move Lansbury and Hourihane deeper. No thanks. Keep them both. So who are your four central midfielders (assuming two players for every position)? Mine are Hourihane, Whelen, Lansbury and Bjarnason. Two of those will sit on the bench most of the season, therefore I don't think we need Jedinak. They are the cover for Whelen. He was also there to provide defensive cover, which the purchase of Terry should now remove the need for. So, squad size in mind, who do you sell instead? Edited July 22, 2017 by jackbauer24 Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 4 hours ago, jackbauer24 said: It's really simple; do you want to see Jedinak and Whelen in the same team? Therefore Jedinak is surplus to requirements. Besides, we only used him for defensive reasons (it's been well discussed how awful his passing is) but now we have Terry in defence too. He's just not needed and we should sell him while we can. 46 games, lots of midweek matches, Jedinak often on international duty, I think we can keep both for this season. Competition and cover. Just sell Gardner and Tishbola to go on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Michael Chopra Paolo Wanchop 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Considering we still needed to ship out about 10 players and probably wanted as many as 14/15 to go we're doing ok. Kozak, Mason, Sanchez and Veretout off the books, with Gil and Tshibola out on loan is a good start. Still leaves a pretty long list to 'chop' Gardner, Cissokho, Elphick, McCormack and/or Hutton leaving wouldn't surprise anyone after the recent rumours. If we didn't have a Gabby then maybe there's a case for McCormack being given another chance but we already have a 30 something year old player with some off the field problems to move on from who we need to get his mojo back in the same position, and he's one of our own, so I'm glad we're thinking or trying at least to move him on. The other 4 would probably improve us by their absence now have better players in their positions. Which would still leave Bunn, Richards and Bacuna who don't look like they'll be getting many games and don't really have the fans behind them. And don't look like there's many takers either. Mind you as my 3 least favourite players we have right now it doesn't surprise me much. I hope we don't loan Steer out. Unless Sarkic is good enough to sit on the bench. I couldn't handle watching Bunn in goal again even if it's cup games. And the thought of Bunn stepping in in case of injury worries me. If he's a "good guy in training" and all that and has literally no desire to ever be a first choice keeper before he retires, then keep him around for his contract but please, for the love of Paul McGrath Himself, keep him away from the first team. Bacuna still has 3 years left to run on his contract. 3 YEARS!! who the? what the? when the? If he's going to be a cross we have to bear then at least he's finally 3rd choice in every position where he allegedly 'plays'. That's something. Richards? Well... But the real possibility of having Bunn run a year down on his contract and being stuck with Richards for the next couple of years and Bacuna for longer than even we deserve, would make the culling of this squad over the last 3 windows a massive success in my eyes. And that's a reason to be cheerful after years of the Lambert bomb squads and the can't sell so can't invest years of Lerner followed by the folly of Sherwood. Dr X and his new team should take the credit they deserve imo. Recruitment is a different quantity obviously. RDM spent some money badly no question. Though he did preside over Chester, Jedinak, RDL, Adomah and Kodjia so I'd say he was more hit and miss than disaster. But as far as Xia's windows have gone so far and with the departures rumoured in the press looking likely, they will have done what a lot of us thought was needed and ripped that relegation squad to shreds in 12 months. Guzan, Lescott, Clark, Okore, Crespo, Bennett, Sinclair, Richardson, Gueye, Traore, Gestede, Westwood, Ayew, Veretout, Sanchez, Kozak, Gil and surely someone else.... oh yeah, almost wiped from my memory (though annoyingly not quite it seems), it's CHARLES NZOGBIA people!! They have all left in the last year or so. Albeit aided a little by some contracts running out, but that's 18 down and what? 6 to go? Nice work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 there are some quality squad numbers up for grabs if we get rid of some of these numpties. I bet half are players are willing them out the door just to get their hands on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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