Xann Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Entirely predictably, the Orange order are looking to the DUP to push for permission to march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2017 39 minutes ago, Xann said: Entirely predictably, the Orange order are looking to the DUP to push for permission to march. Good. Bring it on, hasten the collapse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I'm guessing that in the next election, Corbyn associating with the wrong sorts will be dropped as an attack line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 12 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Good. Bring it on, hasten the collapse. House of cards for real, one wrong move and it will all tumble down. There will be a request about the Flag in N.I as well. It should be flown 24/7 as it is British ground ffs but it is going to be reduced, mediate that then Mrs May or don't get the votes. The little things in N.I as we know are the items that cause some of the biggest problems. Marches / Flag's are just what they want to talk about at the moment. It is hysterically funny in a way. She is the Mr. Bean of politics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2017 It's inevitable that the DUP will lean on the Tories to swing Northern Ireland their way. It'll keep coming. Then the Tories have a choice. Completely break Northern Ireland again or risk the government falling over entirely. Anyone want to bet which? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, Chindie said: It's inevitable that the DUP will lean on the Tories to swing Northern Ireland their way. It'll keep coming. Then the Tories have a choice. Completely break Northern Ireland again or risk the government falling over entirely. Anyone want to bet which? It will be the Government, if you get N.I. wrong people die. Simple as that I suppose and even a Tory would not cause the deaths of innocents. The Tories are funny though, go East, can't get a grip of the whole Europe thing, so go West to N.I and this seems problematic also for them. It's like nobody likes them or something. As an aside, would it not be better for everyone if the Conservatives split the party into 2 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post limpid Posted June 12, 2017 Administrator Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2017 12 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Simple as that I suppose and even a Tory would not cause the deaths of innocents. Apart from foxes. Or elephants. Or the poor. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, limpid said: Apart from foxes. Or elephants. Or the poor. It was a sarcastic comment from myself to be honest. They are not innocents in their eyes I suspect, probably the opposite. We can add the ill and disabled to that list as well for completeness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 hour ago, limpid said: Apart from foxes. Or elephants. Or the poor. are there a lot of elephants where you live ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post limpid Posted June 12, 2017 Administrator Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: are there a lot of elephants where you live ? Yes, but I don't see how that's relevant. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 hour ago, limpid said: Apart from foxes. Or elephants. Or the poor. Or children. Yeah I went there. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOF Posted June 12, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2017 OK you've all had a few days to research this DUP lot more fully. Are we all a bit more clear now about the potentially wide-ranging and long term consequences of giving that lot power? It's not just their 18th century beliefs. It's not just the anti-'everything that resembles social progress' that they stand for. It's not even solely their direct love of paramilitary organisations. Even though all of the above should be plenty on its own. Add to that the minor point that the DUP were the only pro-Brexit party in Northern Ireland, and as part of a government, they would be representing NI at the Brexit negotiations. A country that voted 57% remain being represented by literally the only party that doesn't represent them. But even that's just a footnote. No, the much bigger problem here IMV is that you now have the very real possibility that she will have thrown away the Good Friday Agreement in her quest for power, or at very best put it into extreme jeopardy. You know that thing keeping peace up there? A peace decades in the making. A peace which to me everyone now seems to be taking for granted. Throwing away the GFA potentially plunges the North back into trouble and sets this island back decades. It is a condition of the GFA that Westminster remain impartial in issues relating to Northern Ireland. You are not impartial if you're literally in government with one of the sides. There's already footage in Liverpool yesterday of newly-emboldened Loyalists with DUP/UVF flags attacking an Irish bar. How many days did that take? That's what you're dealing with here. Keeping them peaceful is like trying to hold an inflated beachball under water. You'll only do it for so long. Theresa May, by merely asking them to come on-board, has with that one action made the Irish a second class citizen in the minds of some in the UK who were only waiting for the right environment to come around again. And it took them a matter of hours. What she is doing here in her quest to cling to power is so staggeringly ignorant, selfish and irresponsible that I really struggle to find the appropriate words for it. What she's doing could easily end in her tearing us in 2 again for her own (IMO ultimately doomed) ends. If this coalition happens, then every single troubles-related thing that happens in Northern Ireland from here on will be on that absolute **** word removed's hands. And yet I genuinely think she couldn't give a shit about all of that, as long as she gets to be PM. 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2017 She doesn't care. She's clinging to power. It'll be portrayed as her having no choice. But she does. As for the blame when Belfast is on fire again? No, it won't be Theresa's fault. It'll be all those people who stubbornly refused to vote Tory's fault, of course. Theresa just did her best with the hand given her, she had to try to govern fit the country's own good, because the silly people didn't do as they were told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 How do you the DUP have so many seats over there if they are this bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08tb9ct Interesting programme on Arlene Foster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) @Awol Sorry to go back to this out of the blue but a few days back you wrote a post saying in order to complete their nationalisation agenda Labour needed a hard Brexit as such things weren't allowed in the single market. From what I've read that doesn't seem to be true. Admittedly it was only two articles but both were suggesting this started with a Farage comment which turned out to be untrue there are several mechanisms by which Labour could nationalise and remain within single market. You maybe right they want a hard Brexit anyway but just wondering whether you had the article/reference which supported your original claim as I'd be keen to see it. Edited June 12, 2017 by villaglint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: How do you the DUP have so many seats over there if they are this bad? You might say the same about SF. But most people on the British mainland don’t realise what is going on in NI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 12, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, villaglint said: @Awol Sorry to go back to this out of the blue but a few days back you wrote a post saying in order to complete their nationalisation agenda Labour needed a hard Brexit as such things weren't allowed in the single market. From what I've read that doesn't seem to be true. Admittedly it was only two articles but both were suggesting this started with a Farage comment which turned out to be untrue there are several mechanisms by which Labour could nationalise and remain within single market. You maybe right they want a hard Brexit anyway but just wondering whether you had the article/reference which supported your original claim as I'd be keen to see it. 2 It's obviously untrue as most European countries have nationalised railways, indeed most of the world does. Even power, in France at least is mainly nationalised Whether this is some bizarre re-nationalisation law, who knows but as you say, the only person I've seen claim it is Herr Farago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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