sparrow1988 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 16 minutes ago, BOF said: Snap. Posted the same time. Yep possibly. I was more concerned with the logic than the money Why don't you just use the Randy Lerner approach to business and throw both concerns out the window? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 14 hours ago, Grasshopper said: I think you have dug a deep hole for yourself as you are convinced that after more signings and a preseason bruce will all of a sudden show us all that his approach, be it defensive or expansive, will get us promoted. Once the inevitable has happened and Bruce gets the sack for not enough pts during the 1st 10 games or however long the board gives him and a contuation of the disgracefull football, I will not be gloating at you saying "I told you so" I wont even allow myself a humble boast for predicting the failure. I'll be angry to the point of exploding at the management team, the coaching staff, the board of "football-men" who will have wasted not only DrT's money but the patience, enthusiasm, belief, hearts and souls of every Villa-fan across the whole world GH You won't have to gloat, I will throw my hands up and say I got it wrong.....But as you know,my stance, I don't see myself having to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 hours ago, BOF said: So, to clarify. The bet is Villa don't get promoted either automatically or via the playoffs in the 17/18 season _AND_ Steve Bruce is not in charge for game 1 of the 18/19 season. If the above all happens, @Grasshopper wins the bet and it's £10 from him to VT If the above doesn't all happen i.e. we either go up AND/OR Bruce is still in charge for game 1 of 18/19, then it's £10 to VT from @Villan_of_oz. Agreed ? no if I win the bet VoOz pays I lose the bet I pay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 19, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, Grasshopper said: no if I win the bet VoOz pays I lose the bet I pay Yep, apologies, as said further down, I got the logic right but the payment arse about face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Correction if I win the bet VoOz pays If I lose £10 comes to VT from TRO D_C Bobzy JV ..................;-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, mykeyb said: I agree with you on this and its probably the one area where even those who think Bruce deserves a crack at next season must admit that he has proved this season that he has on most occasions no answer. The opposition manager will change something (Reading away) and he does nothing no tweaking of formations, player positions anything and it has cost us time and time again. But that happens to more managers than Steve Bruce......Pepe supposed to be the tactical No 1 and he gets it wrong at times.....His philosophy that he has stuck to has come under question this season in this league. who is this manager in the Championship that has the tactical monopoly in games? also other factors dictate too......such like the opposition, playing better or working harder or more pugnacious in approach.....there is a compendium of reasons why games are won or lost, tactics is just one. I also think some of the fundamentals matter more in this league, where the individual talent is less common than in the Prem......winning individual battles and keeping shape is important too. Everyone loves attacking football, but it is a balancing act to get wins and sometimes especially this league winning ugly is better than losing pretty.....However we all want to win pretty or aesthetically. Edited May 19, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 50 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: Correction if I win the bet VoOz pays If I lose £10 comes to VT from TRO D_C Bobzy JV ..................;-) My bet was different! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Grasshopper said: Correction if I win the bet VoOz pays If I lose £10 comes to VT from TRO D_C Bobzy JV ..................;-) leave me out I'm a sportsman not a gambler, besides I don't like taking money off people. I have only ever been wrong once in my life......and then I found out I was right after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 joking chaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 So after Keith Wyness comments we know that we will start the season with Bruce. Ive said it before and it still the same. Don't really believe in Bruce. Going to leave that and hope Im wrong. Go on and impress me Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 4 hours ago, TRO said: But that happens to more managers than Steve Bruce......Pepe supposed to be the tactical No 1 and he gets it wrong at times.....His philosophy that he has stuck to has come under question this season in this league. who is this manager in the Championship that has the tactical monopoly in games? also other factors dictate too......such like the opposition, playing better or working harder or more pugnacious in approach.....there is a compendium of reasons why games are won or lost, tactics is just one. I also think some of the fundamentals matter more in this league, where the individual talent is less common than in the Prem......winning individual battles and keeping shape is important too. Everyone loves attacking football, but it is a balancing act to get wins and sometimes especially this league winning ugly is better than losing pretty.....However we all want to win pretty or aesthetically. So you agree with my point then! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted May 20, 2017 Visiting Supporter Share Posted May 20, 2017 16 hours ago, TRO said: who is this manager in the Championship that has the tactical monopoly in games? Benitez and Hughton did quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post terrytini Posted May 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2017 I'm okay with Bruce having a go but it HAS to be in respect of Automatic promotion, not the play offs. And this is crucial IMO because it very much determines how long he is given. If - as it surely must be - the aim is automatic promotion he HAS to average 2 Points per game, pretty much from the Off. That might sound tough to us, because we are accustomed to failure, but it's what any side wanting to win Leagues has to do. Yes there can be a few games grace but it will be very clear, very quickly, whether we will be hitting that target. The alternative, where a Play Off place is considered even as part of the target, dilutes things awfully. I mean look ok at us this season, how poor for how long yet still in with a shout in April. In other words accepting from the Off that a Play Off place is ok means he would be allowed a far greater amount of 'iffy' results, especially early on. We can't have that. And that's not to mention a place in the Play Offs guarantees nothing anyway. It HAS to be 2 points a game from - pretty much - the Off. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 20 hours ago, Grasshopper said: Correction if I win the bet VoOz pays If I lose £10 comes to VT from TRO D_C Bobzy JV ..................;-) Mate i'm not sure what we are betting on, but I am not a staunch Bruce supporter i'm on the fence so not sure why I should pay you? Unless these are just mandatory retroactive payments due to my love for Gabby by default? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 15 hours ago, mykeyb said: So you agree with my point then! well I'm not disagreeing with it. I am just merely saying that very few managers have a monopoly on getting tactics right every time against their opponent.....I think so many other factors are at play too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Unless these are just mandatory retroactive payments due to my love for Gabby by default? Sorry mate, but the payment for that is much higher than £10 ;-) Edited May 20, 2017 by TheStagMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 1 minute ago, TheStagMan said: Sorry mate, but the payment for that is much higher than £10 ;-) £90 and a bucket of kebabs sounds about right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 3 hours ago, striker said: Benitez and Hughton did quite well. Is that a default quote, because hindsight is an exact science?......would you have said that at the start of the season?......and also how can you be sure it wasn't many other factors that won them promotion. just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, TRO said: Is that a default quote, because hindsight is an exact science?......would you have said that at the start of the season?......and also how can you be sure it wasn't many other factors that won them promotion. just a thought. What other factors TRO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: What other factors TRO? Players with a winning attitude A team with a togetherness, all for one and one for all. Players that are willing to put their body on the line for their team mates. Players willing to move and create options. Players who can pass the ball to a corresponding shirt Players with belief in themselves and impose that on their opponent Players with the ability to beat a man and wreak havoc Players who can read a game and defend a winning position Players who can deny the opposition the ball. and most importantly of all.......A great big smile on their faces and many more, but I got bored. Edited May 20, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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