Popular Post holteend1982 Posted February 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2018 9 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: We should take the next opportunity with both hands and aim to crack the top 6 from the first season back there. Man city, man utd, spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, arsenal. That's your top 6 they've all spent 100s of millions all have absolute quality squads and you want to break into it with our first season back in the league. Talk about being unrealistic/delusional, first season back is all about stability and staying up not sacking managers because we won't be challenging man city. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 54 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Where do you expect us to get to in season one? 17th would be an achievement. To give ourselves the best possible chance of reaching those heady heights continuity will be vital. We should keep Bruce because he's an ok manager, as in we could do a lot worse, and he will know the squad, club, board, fans, pressure and everything that goes with it. I think we might have taken Wyness a bit too literally when he said "one team to get us up, one to keep us up..." etc. I'd be looking to make 5-6 signings max, that being on top of Snodgrass and Johnstone. I was thinking about this as well. Assuming this team stays gelled it might be worth extending a couple of the older players for one more year. This is the first genuinely good team, as in an actual team spirit we have had in many years. Better to limit the change as much as seems sensible. A top to bottom sort out and the chaos that brings could relegate us again in short order. Edited February 5, 2018 by ciggiesnbeer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted February 5, 2018 Moderator Share Posted February 5, 2018 7 hours ago, Zatman said: Cattermole and Larsson were crap Premier League players that were given juicy contracts. Gyan was pretty poor for a club record player and dont think he could play with Bent. Bent was only big money signing he made that was good. Bentdner was there I doubt he was cheap and Lorik Cana was another flop under him Cattermole was.supposedly being eyed up by bigger clubs than Sunderland and was being touted for an England cap after his season at Wigan. Larsson was a free transfer. Lorik Cana cost £5m and was captain. They sold him for £4m to Galatasaray and he went on to play for Lazio too. Asamoah Gyan looked like a handy player but was clearly an absolute whopper. That said, they got half the transfer fee back just from his loan fee to Al Ain. I don't know what his final transfer fee to them was though. Bent was a superb signing. Bendtner wasn't expensive - he was there on loan for one season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 How about when bruce was at blose he did well there and kept them up a few times with a relatively poor squad. My ideal scenerio would be bruce takes us up, Southgate gets sacked then bruce becomes England manager. Then I would try get Wagner from huddesfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 To be honest I am not even thinking of the PL. We are going to go on a bad run this season. Just a question of how many games that is. More than 3 games and we can kiss goodbye to promotion. I know it's a cliché but all the best teams take it a game at a time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, wilko154 said: Impossible, you can't go from finishing 2nd in the Championship to breaking the PL top 6 in a season. It's going to take at least 5 years to be in a position to even challenge the top 6, this isn't FIFA. Looking at the resources of the top 6, I'd say it would never happen. I guess Burnley in 7th is a target but from 7th-20th is pretty much a relegation battle! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted February 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Xela said: Looking at the resources of the top 6, I'd say it would never happen. I guess Burnley in 7th is a target but from 7th-20th is pretty much a relegation battle! It is actually pointless going up as will be back where we started Championship much more enjoyable 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Zatman said: Championship much more enjoyable Yep, Premier League a joke now, just a money maker for the big 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 47 minutes ago, Zatman said: It is actually pointless going up as will be back where we started Championship much more enjoyable It is but we need to be in premier league as unfair as it is. I know it's uncompetitive but at least over the years its spread from a top one (united) to a top four now a top 6. Look at Scotland and France those leagues are terrible for competitiveness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: It is but we need to be in premier league as unfair as it is. I know it's uncompetitive but at least over the years its spread from a top one (united) to a top four now a top 6. Look at Scotland and France those leagues are terrible for competitiveness 13 point lead just after January is worse than Scotand at the moment, even the gap from 6th to 7th is higher than Celtic lead at top of league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, Zatman said: 13 point lead just after January is worse than Scotand at the moment, even the gap from 6th to 7th is higher than Celtic lead at top of league How many titles have Celtic run in a row? How many have city? You can't seriously be suggesting Scotland league is more competitive than England's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, Demitri_C said: How many titles have Celtic run in a row? How many have city? You can't seriously be suggesting Scotland league is more competitive than England's? nobody has said that. i just said Premier League is as competitive for teams like us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, holteend1982 said: Man city, man utd, spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, arsenal. That's your top 6 they've all spent 100s of millions all have absolute quality squads and you want to break into it with our first season back in the league. Talk about being unrealistic/delusional, first season back is all about stability and staying up not sacking managers because we won't be challenging man city. Ridiculous post that blows everything out of context. Delusional haha. Where's your reading glasses? I never said we WILL break? I said AIM. - Don't mean it will happen or that we even will but to aim too. I also never mentioned anything about Challenging Man City for first either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Where do you expect us to get to in season one? 17th would be an achievement. To give ourselves the best possible chance of reaching those heady heights continuity will be vital. We should keep Bruce because he's an ok manager, as in we could do a lot worse, and he will know the squad, club, board, fans, pressure and everything that goes with it. Depends on the manager DDID. Keeping Bruce I agree 17th will be very very good imo. - Anything above 17th will be a remarkable achievement. Just to touch on pressure, he was feeling it with us in October/December. I just worry will he cope with the fans and the pressure in the PL the minute results dip. I don't think he will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Zatman said: It is actually pointless going up as will be back where we started Championship much more enjoyable It might be an unpopular opinion but I'm not even sure I want to be back struggling in the Premier League. Scraping survival every year. I mean I'm probably just jaded after the post MON years but I actually like the thought of being favourites to win games at the minute. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, Xela said: It might be an unpopular opinion but I'm not even sure I want to be back struggling in the Premier League. Scraping survival every year. I mean I'm probably just jaded after the post MON years but I actually like the thought of being favourites to win games at the minute. I just like winning games for a change 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 56 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Depends on the manager DDID. Keeping Bruce I agree 17th will be very very good imo. - Anything above 17th will be a remarkable achievement. Just to touch on pressure, he was feeling it with us in October/December. I just worry will he cope with the fans and the pressure in the PL the minute results dip. I don't think he will. Hmmmm... Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of setting the bar high. We also need to introduce a little realism into the mix. IF we do go up, especially automatically, we will have a squad used to winning. We will need to add more quality to that for sure and that will cost money. We will also need the board to step up and not let ANY manager have total control over signings, it can't work the way at the top level anymore. Unless you want to be Burnley. So in keeping the core of the squad together, perhaps even the entire spine, we will want continuity off the pitch too. Introducing a new manager straight off the bat, with new ideas and potentially an entire new coaching team would be potentially suicidal. Yes, it might mean we finish 10th instead. What purpose that would serve us I do not know, because it might also mean we finish 20th and off we go again. IF we go up, Bruce will offer us our best chance of survival. Which is all the will matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I don't think we will ever break top 6. Wolves probably have a better chance than us. The best we can hope for is to become a mid table team again and occasionally good cup runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, Xela said: It might be an unpopular opinion but I'm not even sure I want to be back struggling in the Premier League. Scraping survival every year. I mean I'm probably just jaded after the post MON years but I actually like the thought of being favourites to win games at the minute. Wouldn't you rather us have long term ambitions to win games regularly in the top flight? It's the accepting that it's a long way back people seem to struggle with, which is understandable. Cheers Randy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I don't think we will ever break top 6. Wolves probably have a better chance than us. The best we can hope for is to become a mid table team again and occasionally good cup runs. EVER? **** hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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