OutByEaster? Posted March 7, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 7, 2017 Not available today: ------------------------Gollini---------------------- DeLaet-------Hutton-----Sanchez-------Cissokho ----------------------Veretout---------------------- ------------Tshibola-----------Bjarnason---------- Gil------------------------------------------Grealish ------------------------Hogan---------------------- Subs: Steer, Green, Bacuna, McCormack, Agbonlahor, Kozak, Hepburn-Murphy We're a strange and unlucky club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Didn't see the game, but Huddersfield twitter said we had the better of the chances, so sounds like this one isn't on Bruce. *As did the Commentators, and most people watching/listening to the game! 16 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: I think there's literally no point in arguing with some people based on comments in the match thread. If beating 2 of the worst teams in the division coupled with horrific possession and pass completion stats is the way forward we'll never agree on football *Sensationalism - We won 3 game in a row, and deserved to win tonight, once again this is the "Never any middle ground" territory on VT. If we have showed signs of progress as a team (which we have), it is a STEP forward. I literally haven't seen anybody come out and say, we are brilliant and our "possession stats, defending, finishing and Bruce" are definitively "The way forward". We are just giving credit where and when it is due. NONE of us are over the moon. 41 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Can't really criticise. 4 in a row was too much. And we should have been ahead in the first half. The 3 previous games didn't change my mind and neither has this one. I still feel he's not the manager to take us up. *Fair assessment and opinion. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottingVilla Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 We didn't have a shot on target in the 2nd half? More bad luck? Doesn't fit the faux "unlucky" narrative does it. It does fit the "we are crap narrative" though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 This formation is best for us but at times it feels like Kodjia is far too isolated. Now why are our players so deep? is this an instruction by Bruce? Jedinak and Hourihane should be decent enough cover for a decent enough defence. So why is Lansbury and the wide forwards not getting in the box. We seem to hit it long or go wide for crosses.. Kodjia is decent in the air but against 2 centrebacks hes not likely to win too many and when he does nobody is around to flick it on too. This needs to be corrected. Problem i have with Kodjia.. is he cant keep the ball and long enough and bring the midfielders/wide forwards in to play the way Benteke used to do with Wiemann/Gabby etc. He tends to get the ball and go on his own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikeyp102 Posted March 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2017 28 minutes ago, NottingVilla said: We didn't have a shot on target in the 2nd half? More bad luck? Doesn't fit the faux "unlucky" narrative does it. It does fit the "we are crap narrative" though. Huddersfield didn't have a shot on target first half, is that the same narrative? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Beaten by a side who have spent a fraction of what we have that has a manager with tactical nous. I'm not surprised seen it happen quite a few times this season, imagine what we could do if we had someone like that managing us with the money we have spent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Frobisher Posted March 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2017 26 minutes ago, NottingVilla said: We didn't have a shot on target in the 2nd half? More bad luck? Doesn't fit the faux "unlucky" narrative does it. It does fit the "we are crap narrative" though. But we had enough chances to win the game in the first half which fits the "we are a team of good players unfamiliar with one another, who if given time could become a decent team" narrative. This reactionary microanalysis game by game is crazy to me. Anything in life takes time to achieve. The team we just lost to, with their fashionable manager and a great chance of being promoted, were crap last season. We may not have been brilliant tonight, but for a matter of inches we were in with a shout of winning. We weren't outplayed by one of the better teams in the league. Let's give it a chance to work out. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 21 minutes ago, AshVilla said: Beaten by a side who have spent a fraction of what we have that has a manager with tactical nous. I'm not surprised seen it happen quite a few times this season, imagine what we could do if we had someone like that managing us with the money we have spent. Yep that great tactical nous of creating one chance from a corner and scoring. At least make an effort if you're going for the foreign manager moan! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 23 minutes ago, Frobisher said: This reactionary microanalysis game by game is crazy to me. Anything in life takes time to achieve. The team we just lost to, with their fashionable manager and a great chance of being promoted, were crap last season. Somebody chisel these sentences onto stone tablets for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 If we play like this every game then wins will come and over a season we would win more than we lose. If we played like we did against Brentford every game we would get relegated. Yes we lost this game but we should have won. This kind of performance must continue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE- Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Didn't see the game but it seems like we didn't seem to deserve the loss.. Well quite frankly I'm past caring about that Bruce is meant to be the promotion specialist therfore the results specialist.. He's failed miserably.. I can't see anything changing under him and his football will never improve he's a negative manager I was watching the in game stats and even from that you can see its setup to not concede and maybe bag a goal.. So in other words setting up for a draw We spent like 40m on strikers and the Managwr can't organise a setup to get then scoring Listening to some comments on here it's clear to me your standards have severely dropped for this once great club.. Lose your standards you lose your identity Failure to beat Wednesday at home then Bruce should be gone end of season no matter the results after that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, JE- said: Didn't see the game but it seems like we didn't seem to deserve the loss.. Well quite frankly I'm past caring about that Yet when we win, you seem to care how much we deserve to win. I was watching the in game stats and even from that you can see its setup to not concede and maybe bag a goal.. So in other words setting up for a draw It seemed that first half we were far from trying to get a draw, we could have been a few goals up by half time with better finishing, the post being thinner. We spent like 40m on strikers and the Managwr can't organise a setup to get then scoring He had one of those strikers available and they'd cost maybe close to £40m if all them were banging them in right, left and centre for us and we went up and triggered clauses. Nice to make it seem like we have £40m worth of strikers at our disposal though. Failure to beat Wednesday at home then Bruce should be gone end of season no matter the results after that So if we drew, then went on to win all the remaining games, he should be sacked regardless? The likelihood is slim to none but why do people chuck out these throw away scenarios? I'm sure before the 3 game winning streak, people were like, he's got to go if we don't win this, then after winning at Derby, if we don't beat Bristol City, he has to go, etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE- Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 How many excuses are we going to keep giving this bloke.. He's failed and even though this season isn't all down to him there is many mistakes he's made by himself This guy isn't good for villa and even if what seems a miracle at the moment he gets us up someone is going to have to pick up his mess I don't trust him to build a prem side what so ever. If Bruce was appointed after mon there would be chaos and I don't see why it should be any different now...other than fans standards are as low as low can be for this club We just lost to a team that cost 20 times less than ours FYI but we should be grateful we only lost 1-0 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Not available today: ------------------------Gollini---------------------- DeLaet-------Hutton-----Sanchez-------Cissokho ----------------------Veretout---------------------- ------------Tshibola-----------Bjarnason---------- Gil------------------------------------------Grealish ------------------------Hogan---------------------- Subs: Steer, Green, Bacuna, McCormack, Agbonlahor, Kozak, Hepburn-Murphy We're a strange and unlucky club. Begs two questions.... 1) which of those were the stellar stars that saved us from our poor performances in the past? having fewer to choose from is not why SB can't get them to perform... or else (as in point 2) he must be blamed for that. 2) you realize a good portion of those are players we voluntarily loaned out. That's not bad luck. That's bad decisions IF their absence is a crucial loss. IMO it's an excuse that doesn't hold water. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 8, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 8, 2017 1 hour ago, srsmithusa said: Begs two questions.... 1) which of those were the stellar stars that saved us from our poor performances in the past? having fewer to choose from is not why SB can't get them to perform... or else (as in point 2) he must be blamed for that. 2) you realize a good portion of those are players we voluntarily loaned out. That's not bad luck. That's bad decisions IF their absence is a crucial loss. IMO it's an excuse that doesn't hold water. It's not an excuse - I haven't linked it to todays game at all, or even to performances in general - I've not made any claims that those players are some sort of saviour - nor have I used them to defend the manager. I do realise a good portion of those players are loaned out and I realise that's not bad luck. It's not that it's an excuse that doesn't hold water, it's not an excuse at all, it's an observation about an unusual situation - certainly the only time I can remember in the last 30 years where we could pick an eleven and a subs bench of players that we can't play that would have a fair chance of beating the one we put out. I did wonder which thread to put it in, I picked this one because selection in a managerial thing and it seemed to be 'best fit' - it wasn't offered as an excuse or a support - you're arguing with a point that wasn't made. We're a strange and unlucky club to have so many players that are unavailable to play - that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 30 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: It's not an excuse - I haven't linked it to todays game at all, or even to performances in general - I've not made any claims that those players are some sort of saviour - nor have I used them to defend the manager. I do realise a good portion of those players are loaned out and I realise that's not bad luck. It's not that it's an excuse that doesn't hold water, it's not an excuse at all, it's an observation about an unusual situation - certainly the only time I can remember in the last 30 years where we could pick an eleven and a subs bench of players that we can't play that would have a fair chance of beating the one we put out. I did wonder which thread to put it in, I picked this one because selection in a managerial thing and it seemed to be 'best fit' - it wasn't offered as an excuse or a support - you're arguing with a point that wasn't made. We're a strange and unlucky club to have so many players that are unavailable to play - that's all. OBE, I'll happily take you at your word that you did not intend it as an excuse. But many other posts did make excuses, including that Bruce had so few players at his disposal. So, I think my point is still valid, even if it doesn't apply to your intention. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE- Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) 10 points from 12 games in 2017 with his own set of players.. Enough said Edited March 8, 2017 by JE- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SidSidSidSid Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 4 hours ago, JE- said: Failure to beat Wednesday at home then Bruce should be gone end of season no matter the results after that ....makes no sense at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE- Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 21 minutes ago, SidSidSidSid said: ....makes no sense at all! Do you know what make no sense mate Accepting losses to sides who can beat us having spent penny's when we as a club are meant to actually want promotion. It's clear from the owner to the fans that there is zero awareness about what is required to achieve promotion and actually automatic promotion. We aren't talking about staying in this league... Maybe 5 years of fighting relegation battles makes it a habit to accept a loss or a point away from home and not think much of it. Busy most the day so have fun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 7 hours ago, AshVilla said: Beaten by a side who have spent a fraction of what we have that has a manager with tactical nous. I'm not surprised seen it happen quite a few times this season, imagine what we could do if we had someone like that managing us with the money we have spent. Eh? From everyone I know that went to the game, we didn't take our chances, they had 1 chance and took it. If anyone was "out-thought" it was Wagner, who relied on a post and clearance of the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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