Jonathan Kodjia

[7392craig]

1 minute ago, TRO said:

If you remember Andy Gray, He wasn't the most gifted of Centre forwards....but he MADE things happen.

Present day...... Billy Sharp, Pukki,Rodriguez....They work their defender as does Tammy.

Kodjia will score goals, but it will be in certain games, where he is allowed to.

I do remember him although I am too young to have seen him play. I agree that Tammy’s work rate is something to be admired, not he creates his own goals. More that he creates his own space, he makes clever runs. In a team that knows how to pass he will always have opportunities to score.

[Dave J]

3 minutes ago, TRO said:

Kodjia will score goals, but it will be in certain games, where he is allowed to.

Maybe the play off final - if Tammy is not fit - fingers and toes crossed.

[Dave J]

6 minutes ago, TRO said:

If you remember Andy Gray, He wasn't the most gifted of Centre forwards( in the technical sense)....but he MADE things happen.....Brian Little was the technician.

Present day...... Billy Sharp, Pukki,Rodriguez....They work their defender as does Tammy.

Kodjia will score goals, but it will be in certain games, where he is allowed to.

Andy Gray - oh my days, if you could put just 20% of Andy's mentality into Kodjia - boy would we have a player on our hands 

[TRO]

11 minutes ago, Dave J said:

I think your just saying the same as I am TRO - very talented footballer just doesn't make the most of it - step forward Stanley Victor Mk2

We have seen them all Dave....Its very difficult at our present level to get the complete one.

I have been studying Norwich and Sheff Utd lately and its interesting how they have both found a formula to go up....and spent very little in the way of transfer fee's.....not typical of what Wolves did in that sense, but typical in terms of Work Rate.

Both teams have 11 players chasing the ball down for the best part of the game.....We have some who do that and others who don't ( In the main)

In the last 4 seasons all the teams that have gone up, ( none better than us in ability imo, maybe in some area's) have had an exceptional work ethic and an appetite to go after the ball.....I sincerely hope we can do it.

[TRO]

12 minutes ago, 7392craig said:

I do remember him although I am too young to have seen him play. I agree that Tammy’s work rate is something to be admired, not he creates his own goals. More that he creates his own space, he makes clever runs. In a team that knows how to pass he will always have opportunities to score.

You should have seen him Drink.

I'm just kidding....I think.

Edited May 2, 2019 by TRO

[7392craig]

32 minutes ago, TRO said:

You should have seen him Drink.

I'm just kidding....I think.

I’ve heard the stories

[HanoiVillan]

5 hours ago, TRO said:

That's a veiled way of saying he is not robust or durable enough.

I just don't see a way he can get past stubborn defences.

Kind of agree; I just think he's better when he's not playing as a lone striker. He looked better when playing with Davis, and he looked better when playing with Abraham. 

He's still our second-best striker, and an important player. He needs to be selected for the playoffs if Abraham isn't fit. 

[TRO]

1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said:

Kind of agree; I just think he's better when he's not playing as a lone striker. He looked better when playing with Davis, and he looked better when playing with Abraham. 

He's still our second-best striker, and an important player. He needs to be selected for the playoffs if Abraham isn't fit. 

We have no choice.

but getting back to appraising strikers.....He is simply another that likes to play in a bunch and get an odd goal, now and again.....playing as a main striker puts him under the Centre halfs spotlight and he flails, falling down, going to ground and moaning.

He has lost that zest of when he first come a bit like Ayew when he was here , very hit and miss now....

I fear for our ambition in a play off place......He will be prancing around while Gayle and Rodriguez will be concentrating on getting the ball over the line by any means.

Edited May 2, 2019 by TRO

[Dave-R]

33 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

Kind of agree; I just think he's better when he's not playing as a lone striker. He looked better when playing with Davis, and he looked better when playing with Abraham. 

He's still our second-best striker, and an important player. He needs to be selected for the playoffs if Abraham isn't fit. 

To say he's our second best striker doesn't leave me inspired at all. I think it's very sad that we have a second best striker who never looks like he wants to play football.

If we have to rely on kodjia for the playoffs, I'd be very surprised if we won, in fact I'd feel shocked if kodjia scores any goals because he is far from being the player he was.

I've no faith in kodjia at all, to lazy, to selfish, doesn't do a quarter of what Tammy does in way of tracking back and causing problems. Tammy always looks hungry yet I always feel like kodjia feels bloated.

Davis over kodjia for me if it's comes to no Tammy.

Edited May 2, 2019 by Dave-R

[dudevillaisnice]

Bit harsh, He has been good for us in my opinion. Both him and Tammy are different and Tammy rightly starts but I think he is a great option for us and to be honest he has been a good signing. 

[HanoiVillan]

22 minutes ago, Dave-R said:

To say he's our second best striker doesn't leave me inspired at all. I think it's very sad that we have a second best striker who never looks like he wants to play football.

If we have to rely on kodjia for the playoffs, I'd be very surprised if we won, in fact I'd feel shocked if kodjia scores any goals because he is far from being the player he was.

I've no faith in kodjia at all, to lazy, to selfish, doesn't do a quarter of what Tammy does in way of tracking back and causing problems. Tammy always looks hungry yet I always feel like kodjia feels bloated.

Davis over kodjia for me if it's comes to no Tammy.

Incredible to me that you're in a different thread suggesting that Hogan scoring *one goal* against the weakest team in the division might mean we've been overlooking his talents, while posting this stuff about Kodjia. 

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but it's baffling IMO. 

[TRO]

2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

Incredible to me that you're in a different thread suggesting that Hogan scoring *one goal* against the weakest team in the division might mean we've been overlooking his talents, while posting this stuff about Kodjia. 

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but it's baffling IMO. 

Personally....I have doubts about both, for partially similar reasons, while I accept they are different.

You may detect from my posts, I haven't got time for players with a debatable work rate( meaning a bit of a combative spirit, not just idle running).....accepting that talent is already there.

I will go further to say in the play offs.....if we don't go after teams ( meaning most of the team)we will come second.

Edited May 2, 2019 by TRO

[TRO]

3 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

Kind of agree; I just think he's better when he's not playing as a lone striker. He looked better when playing with Davis, and he looked better when playing with Abraham. 

He's still our second-best striker, and an important player. He needs to be selected for the playoffs if Abraham isn't fit. 

The problem with playing him out there like Gabby it smacks of accommodating.....they haven't got the "will-o- the-wisp" movement that's required to beat a full back and turn defenders inside out....a bit on the rigid side...too straight up and straight down.

That's where we need the specialists to create the balanced team....like Knockaert and Ritchie, Harvey Barnes....not sure about our current ones, ElGhazi is looking better,green needs development, but not sure he's a winger and Albert bless him.

Do you remember Ray Graydon or Tony Morley.....that's the type we need out there......I think Dean will do that in time.

Its an observation not a criticism.....but that's why I believe we haven't gone up Automatically over the last few seasons, too many players too similar.....but we are getting there slowly.

Edited May 2, 2019 by TRO

[LondonVillian]

On 02/05/2019 at 13:39, Dave-R said:

To say he's our second best striker doesn't leave me inspired at all. I think it's very sad that we have a second best striker who never looks like he wants to play football.

If we have to rely on kodjia for the playoffs, I'd be very surprised if we won, in fact I'd feel shocked if kodjia scores any goals because he is far from being the player he was.

I've no faith in kodjia at all, to lazy, to selfish, doesn't do a quarter of what Tammy does in way of tracking back and causing problems. Tammy always looks hungry yet I always feel like kodjia feels bloated.

Davis over kodjia for me if it's comes to no Tammy.

Hogan a world beater though ? 

[Dave J]

Personally I believe him to be our most gifted striker - however without the mentality to match, it means diddly squat.

I mentioned the other day that Kod reminds me of Stanley Victor a man who had everything in his locker to become a potentially world class footballer except of course ? You know the rest.

[TRO]

57 minutes ago, Dave J said:

Personally I believe him to be our most gifted striker - however without the mentality to match, it means diddly squat.

I mentioned the other day that Kod reminds me of Stanley Victor a man who had everything in his locker to become a potentially world class footballer except of course ? You know the rest.

Application is often overlooked for talent......fact is you need both.

.....but if you watch the top teams like Barcelona,Liverpool & Man city.....The work rate and intensity is phenomenal....but the talent is what readily catches the eye.

Even the teams that go up in our league, have an ability to " be at it " for most of the match.....Kodjia is a luxury player, who provides the odd bit of superlative play and then goes in to "cruise control" He doesn't play on the edge like the strikers in the top teams in our division.

Edited May 3, 2019 by TRO

[Khizzy]

I really hope we're able to start with Tammy in the play offs because Kodjia tends to be more effective coming off the bench for 20 minutes in a match. He appears to want to put himself about a bit more and he's not a liability for the whole match, which is not what we need right now.

In fact I'd say Davis has looked a better proposition coming off the bench than Kodjia just because he's able to hold up the ball and bring others into play. It's refreshing that we don't just have to rely on our strikers for goals this season because the other guys have been contributing as well. I wouldn't want to rely on Kodjia if we're chasing a game because he'll probably try taking on the whole team after entering "hero" mode.

[dont_do_it_doug.]

5 hours ago, Dave J said:

Personally I believe him to be our most gifted striker - however without the mentality to match, it means diddly squat.

I mentioned the other day that Kod reminds me of Stanley Victor a man who had everything in his locker to become a potentially world class footballer except of course ? You know the rest.

Mental illness? 

[Dave J]

5 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

Mental illness? 

Absolutely DDID - having experienced mental health issues myself I can say that it effects everyone differently and maybe  this is why Stan never became the World class footballer that he potentially could have been?

Regardless I still looked for his name on the team shirt first.

quite  simply when on  his A game he was unplayable and terrified defenders and set VP Rocking.

[thunderball]

Maybe El Ghazi could play as a striker? Just a thought.

I think Kodjia is a confidence player - yes he has tricks and talent but clicking with the team (the team we have become through monotony) needs time which we don’t have. Hopefully he plays Sunday but I fear those around him will be rested, at least he will get used to the responsibility. I think he has the ability to work, when he is on it he is right up there in this division.

No way is Kodjia fit for purpose for next season, I even doubt if we go up that we can rely on Tammy as the no1 forward, I think we need someone else. At 21 Tammy will continue to improve, he will be a great asset.

Edited May 4, 2019 by thunderball