nick76 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, paul514 said: Exactly this, its really a call from the owners as to what they want to do with the club. This is what we dont know, if we do it through debt, I'm not convinced it's a good idea until we do get regular football otherwise it will really impact us. If they want to pay for it directly, then go for it, I'm delighted as long as it doesnt impact the investment in the team. (this is not assuming anything about FFP because I dont know enough about it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 28 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: “WELCOME TO HELL YOU BASTARDS!!!!” Whilst pouring a boiling cauldron of curry and chips to any away fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, nick76 said: This is what we dont know, if we do it through debt, I'm not convinced it's a good idea until we do get regular football otherwise it will really impact us. If they want to pay for it directly, then go for it, I'm delighted as long as it doesnt impact the investment in the team. (this is not assuming anything about FFP because I dont know enough about it). Then worry about that if and when those details come forward in a couple of years if it goes ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, paul514 said: Design, planning and building will take years anyway. Design and planning has already been investigated from what I've heard I think from this website and key people on here at their meetings with Purslow and co. Not that they have acted on it but from what I understand they have seen plans whether from previous plans or their own plans or whatever but I think some of that ground work has already been done. Again I could be wrong so one of the mods may know better who have been to these Q&A's. I think they arent that far away from pulling the trigger when the time is right, if there will be a time that is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, The Fun Factory said: Whilst pouring a boiling cauldron of curry and chips to any away fan. That doesnt sound so bad....I think I used to look for that at 2am on a Friday night after being on the beer all night 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, paul514 said: Then worry about that if and when those details come forward in a couple of years if it goes ahead People are talking about it happening now hence the discussion. They could easily announce they have been working on it during the pandemic and are announcing now with building starting in the summer. Obviously this is very unlikely but we are all talking about it now, and I'm hence talking when I would be in favour of it and when I wouldnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 I would be very surprised if we have a new stand within the next 5 years. Maybe in the next 10. Hopefully. It will take time but at least it seems to be on the agenda now. Lovely-jubbly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 12/04/2021 at 13:33, Follyfoot said: Some stadium that would be, the Holte would we circa 200,000, imagine the intimidation Still would be quieter than it was against Tranmere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted April 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, sidcow said: Still would be quieter than it was against Tranmere. and Madrid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted April 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, Follyfoot said: and Madrid And Everton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted April 13, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2021 I think there's space and time for a couple of things to play out here. I think for a good year we showed that the demand for a reasonably successful Villa is in place - the last half a dozen Championship games sold out and then there was the unprecedented demand for our first season back. As people have said, there's no guaranteeing that that period wasn't just a bounce-back bubble, but if so, then I think we can take a certain amount of positivity in just how big a bubble it was - a chap from the ticket office told me that if Villa had wanted to we could have sold the entire ground as season tickets for 2019-20 - 38,000 season tickets and then the away fans, the corporates, the sponsors, the fan clubs, the players and the competition winners - a bubble it might be, but it was a massive bubble. So now we've got three mysteries: The sudden mention of ground redevelopment - there was a supporters group meeting the day before the recent announcement and they didn't mention redevelopment there at all - to say it was out of the blue isn't a lie - under other owners, the cynic in me might suggest it's an exciting distraction at the bottom of a sheet that says £99m of losses, but I don't think these owners are that way inclined. The way in which it's mentioned suggests something more than just squeezing a couple of hundred rail seats into the Holte/Trinity corner or extending the hospitality in the North Stand - it's a mystery that suggests either filling in the North stand corners or completely redoing the North Stand in its entirety - it's exciting either way. Demand - what demand is going to look like in the near future and over the next couple of years - how many of the 30,000 season ticket holders will want to renew, and how many of those on the waiting list will want to take up an opportunity. It's a different world from the one we left and it's hard to predict what will happen on this. Historically in the periods after events that have lead to restrictions (the epidemic of the 20's, the world wars etc) there's been a huge boom in attendance levels as people really want to get back to the life they've missed - this one might be different, it might be a drift, it might be that people have learned to prefer the home comforts of viewing that they didn't have as options back then - we just don't know. Government - it's still not entirely clear what we'll be allowed to do - on paper, there will be 10,000 people in attendance for the Chelsea game and then a free for all for the new season where Villa Park could be packed to the rafters. However, if there's one thing we know about this government it's that things on paper don't really mean anything to them (unless it's bank notes). So there's still a bit of mystery about what will and won't be allowed. But, the 'good' news for the club is that from the sound of things, the process they're embarking on will take a long time - if they were to move seriously about replacing the North Stand now and got to tendering for design proposals, then appointing an architect, making final plans, sorting out a transport policy, pushing those through planning permissions, finding the right schedule break and so on, then we'd probably be looking at not demolishing the current stand until the summer of 2023 at the earliest and most likely the summer of 2024. That gives you three years to solve the other two mysteries - if the burst bubble leaves less than you'd hope and the demand is just about enough to fill the current Villa Park, then from a financial perspective you might be better just putting the prices up and sticking with what you have. If the demand is there and consistent, then you can put the prices up and increase availability - but you have at least a couple of years before you're thinking about putting a spade in the ground - so you have time to find out and time to pull out of the process if you need to. Financially, expansion doesn't add massive amounts of income and costs a lot of money to do - but in football terms, a lot of money means something different to its meaning in a lot of business's. An extended North Stand bringing the capacity of Villa Park to 48,000 and adding modern hospitality and corporate facilities could be done for around £80m - not a lot more than one Tammy Abraham with transfer fees and wages included. None of it would count against FFP and debts incurred wouldn't count because it would most likely be financed under a different vehicle (the football club already has around a dozen companies under its banner), a stadium company would be part of the club structure but it's debt would sit under that part of the group, outside of FFP is my understanding of how these things are done. There's an awkwardness factor to take into account too - a Villa Park operating on a reduced capacity of 34,000 for a season and a bit with 30,000 season ticket holders would be a little bit awkward. You wouldn't want to go into games in the FA Cup for example, knowing that you'd be picking season ticket holders that weren't going to be able to attend due to capacity - the club might want to allow that 30,000 to naturally reduce before embarking on construction. Regardless, I don't see this being rushed through any time soon - there aren't any existing planning applications (which would be in the public domain) and there's been nothing spoken about anywhere about architectural appointments - these things usually leak out - so I don't think we're anywhere near a starting point. The next big indicator on this for me, government allowing, will be at the end of June/beginning of July or whichever period the club feel comfortable putting season tickets on sale - if they sell like hot cakes, I think that's a green light. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Liverpool have managed to build the new stand and plan to carry out the next stage around the current stand without closing them at all. I don't see why we couldn't do that too, build the back of a new North Stand during the season, leave the bottom tier as it is and then connect the two during the summer. The Anfield Road End will add 7k seats for £60m with no cuts to attendances. It seems so much more better value than either knocking down the whole stand or going to a new ground completely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 13, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 13, 2021 Structurally the North Stand is bound by the 'goalpost' arrangement that supports the roof - it's structurally integral to the building but it's constrictive and would have to go if you were to redevelop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Whilst pouring a boiling cauldron of curry and chips to any away fan. Perfect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 I read Wolves have planning permission to increase capacity to 50,000. If they expect to sell out Molineux then Villa Park should aim even higher at 55,000-60,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Wolves may have planning permission, but their owners have apparently backed out of plans to go ahead with a stadium redevelopment, so I don't think that they will be extending the capacity any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 13, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 13, 2021 48 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: I read Wolves have planning permission to increase capacity to 50,000. I've got room for a four poster bed, but it doesn't mean I get to sleep with a Princess. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) Out by Easter great comments thks. If the North Stand was demolished yes capacity would be lowered for a season or so but it is the smallest stand in the ground so it would be the lowest reduction possible in regards to redevelopment. I remember yonks ago when the new Trinity was built capacity was about 30,000 for a few months. I went up on the day when we played Spurs naively thinking I could get a ticket but it was sold out so we ended up staying and watching the first half over on Aston Park lol. That made me paranoid for years getting tickets before the day even though we rarely sold out in that era. I believe when the North Stand was being built part of the existing Wittton End was kept in use but I doubt that could be done again. I think in the past previous owner have said that the North stand could be expanded rather than rebuilt, with the roof taken off and seats added around the corner. That would be the cheaper option but it would still result in aged facilities being used in the future. Its a tired stand I'd rather if they do something they do it properly. Any development should cover the entire area back to the carpark and Villa Village/Academy. It could be a huge project. Edited April 13, 2021 by The Fun Factory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 As I mentioned in the last page you can expand (at a guess by 4-5k) the Trinity by squaring the corner by the exec lounge tower the of the Trinity - Reconfigure at an angle the other corner towards the pitch but leaving a clear gap to the New (sponsor?) North Stand ... This would then offset lost seats whilst they then then demolish the boxes and upper tier, roof. Then build a huge monster stand, similar in capacity to the Spuds end of 17.5k would take us to 56/57k. 10-15 Years on . You then look at the Hotle lower/witton Corner, again reconfigure the tier so it continues around not straight and rebuild the whole witton keeping the separation from. The North stand... And **** it go crazy with a retractable pitch like the new Bernabéu that slides underneath. Add a lightweight retractable roof, curtain walls. 360 projector 64k video screens ... welcome to VP 2045 -65k + mega stadium 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 9 hours ago, thabucks said: As I mentioned in the last page you can expand (at a guess by 4-5k) the Trinity by squaring the corner by the exec lounge tower the of the Trinity - Reconfigure at an angle the other corner towards the pitch but leaving a clear gap to the New (sponsor?) North Stand ... This would then offset lost seats whilst they then then demolish the boxes and upper tier, roof. Then build a huge monster stand, similar in capacity to the Spuds end of 17.5k would take us to 56/57k. 10-15 Years on . You then look at the Hotle lower/witton Corner, again reconfigure the tier so it continues around not straight and rebuild the whole witton keeping the separation from. The North stand... And **** it go crazy with a retractable pitch like the new Bernabéu that slides underneath. Add a lightweight retractable roof, curtain walls. 360 projector 64k video screens ... welcome to VP 2045 -65k + mega stadium Ambitious! The corner between NS and DE though looks tighter than the Trinity one and would be constrained somewhat by the road frontage. In 10-15 years time we will all get to Villa Park on our hovercars and self drying Villa shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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