kidlewis Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 There’s absolutely no way moving from VP will be acceptable to fans unless they plan on making tickets £10 a game forever… they need to sort their heads out and get these plans agreed. was exciting to see this when it came out and the back tracking looks embarrassing and shows a lack of well thought out planning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted December 29, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 29, 2023 If we're gonna compete at the very top, season after season, then we need a stadium to match those ambitions and Villa Park will need to be completely rebuilt to match those ambitions. My feeling is we have a few options and we are reconsidering those options now it looks like Emery can get us competitive within a short timescale, 2 seasons. Re building Villa Park over 4 seasons isn't going to fit in with those plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 11 hours ago, cheltenham_villa said: This point could probably exist in many threads but something heck needs to consider I think is how best to spend the clubs finances. Invest in infrastructure and see a return over a ten year period. Invest in team matters and see that money potentially come back via increased TV revenues for higher places finishes. My guess is that this is behind the rebuild delays. Everything the club does points to trying to take advantage of a potential short term opportunity for success in what's been a relatively closed shop. While I also appreciate that stadium investment and player budgets sit on different parts of the balance sheet, I also can't really think of a single club that has taken on significant stadium investment without it coinciding with a delay in player purchases. That only makes sense if the owners don’t want to put as much money as they clearly did when these plans were full steam ahead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Heard a rumour last night, it's an issue with BCC wanting Aston Villa to invest serious money in the surrounding area if they want to totally rebuild the North stand and refurb the ground. Villa have refused the amount the council want invested, so they have put the plans on hold until something can be agreed. Heck may have just told them he'll scrap the plans altogther, calling there bluff. so I wonder if it's still on if the council back down, if this is true ofcourse. I can see it though with the council being skint and trying to get some freebies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stephen_Evans Posted December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2023 27 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Heard a rumour last night, it's an issue with BCC wanting Aston Villa to invest serious money in the surrounding area if they want to totally rebuild the North stand and refurb the ground. Villa have refused the amount the council want invested, so they have put the plans on hold until something can be agreed. Heck may have just told them he'll scrap the plans altogther, calling there bluff. so I wonder if it's still on if the council back down, if this is true ofcourse. I can see it though with the council being skint and trying to get some freebies. The problem with that theory is that the planning consent is already in the bag. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Maybe if we didn't keep buying all these random Sunday league clubs from around the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chine Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 3 hours ago, foreveryoung said: Heard a rumour last night, it's an issue with BCC wanting Aston Villa to invest serious money in the surrounding area if they want to totally rebuild the North stand and refurb the ground. Villa have refused the amount the council want invested, so they have put the plans on hold until something can be agreed. Heck may have just told them he'll scrap the plans altogther, calling there bluff. so I wonder if it's still on if the council back down, if this is true ofcourse. I can see it though with the council being skint and trying to get some freebies. It’s been going on with BCC for some time regarding Witton station redevelopment , I think I put on here sometime ago that both parties want the other to fund it . None of this had any bearing on our North stand plans at that time . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 17 hours ago, Mic09 said: It would be acceptable to me if the new stadium brought more fans and kept the VP spirit. One day we all move out from our family home. If the new house is better, why not? New memories will come in order for the house to become a home. Almost every new stadium doesn’t keep the atmosphere. Hammers, Arsenal and spurs all struggled with it, plus villa park has more history and heritage than those three combined. and we don’t necessarily need to if the planning and project is don’t correctly. They need to get “proper people” on the job and not faff about releasing big press releases then reneging on it. That is amateur hour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted December 31, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 9 hours ago, foreveryoung said: Heard a rumour last night, it's an issue with BCC wanting Aston Villa to invest serious money in the surrounding area if they want to totally rebuild the North stand and refurb the ground. Villa have refused the amount the council want invested, so they have put the plans on hold until something can be agreed. Heck may have just told them he'll scrap the plans altogther, calling there bluff. so I wonder if it's still on if the council back down, if this is true ofcourse. I can see it though with the council being skint and trying to get some freebies. Well that is clearly bollocks as planning permission has been granted. If fees for local improvements were required they would be (and very often are) stated in the planning permission. If that were true the documents and requirements would be clearly shown within the planning permission. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Fun Factory Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 That is why I think talk of a new stadium is just talk. If Heck has counted the pennies and thought one new stand is not worth the hassle, then they won't go for a billion-pound stadium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 2 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2 5 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: That is why I think talk of a new stadium is just talk. If Heck has counted the pennies and thought one new stand is not worth the hassle, then they won't go for a billion-pound stadium. This and the fact that they have consistently and explicitly stated that a new stadium is not even being considered 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 2 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2 On 31/12/2023 at 00:01, sidcow said: Well that is clearly bollocks as planning permission has been granted. If fees for local improvements were required they would be (and very often are) stated in the planning permission. If that were true the documents and requirements would be clearly shown within the planning permission. I can't believe that rumour could be false given the source! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 If we aren't moving and our current capacity is too small why the Heck did we bin the lovely new north stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 2 Moderator Share Posted January 2 Just now, Captain_Townsend said: If we aren't moving and our current capacity is too small why the Heck did we bin the lovely new north stand? The club don't believe our current capacity is too small. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 It's impossible to get tickets, we have had sell outs since 2019. They are crazy. This decision will catch up with us eventually as historically smaller clubs than ours get to 50k stadiums and pass us by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 18 minutes ago, Captain_Townsend said: It's impossible to get tickets, we have had sell outs since 2019. They are crazy. This decision will catch up with us eventually as historically smaller clubs than ours get to 50k stadiums and pass us by. Although I agree we should increase the capacity it really isn't impossible to get tickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: The club don't believe our current capacity is too small. Is it that OR is it that the club don't believe that the cost of the North Stand redevelopment is worth the extra ticket income received over the course of a season from the additional seats. My non-ITK assumption is that Heck thinks the club can be more profitable by selling merch, food & beverage, fan experiences and higher priced tickets than having a bigger stadium and paying down a huge loan for it. Quick maths, 5K extra tickets sold on average per game, £40 a ticket, 19 home games = ~£3.8 million. Add in a bit more for cup games, a few more hospitality boxes and food/beverage sales and the additional seats bring in around £5m a season. Cost to build the stand, £100m+......doesn't really add up.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway Lion Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I come over from Ireland for games and despite having 3 family memberships find it difficult to get three seats together. Would come more often if could get seats together. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Captain_Townsend said: If we aren't moving and our current capacity is too small why the Heck did we bin the lovely new north stand? Money, and fact it is easy to make money by massively hiking current prices for the existing capacity than by improving facilities. Small-minded but that's the direction they are going. This is after the news that the new tv deal is worth over £6 billion to all of the clubs in the premier league, and we will probably be paying close to 100 quid for some seats in 1990s facilities at best. Edited January 2 by The Fun Factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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