Popular Post bobzy Posted April 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, Richard said: I was actually posing the question as to why people wanted Moyes and expressin my opinion that I'm not sure he is the right person for where we are as a club now. Did he have to totally rebuild a failing and shambolic Everton? I'll ignore largely what he did at Manure as it was a poisoned chalice but I would just add the ridicule he received on this site and others because of that. At the time it seemed a strange appointment and not the stature of manager for arguably one of the top three biggest clubs in Europs (then not now). So what is it about Moyes for us now that prove he can rebuild a failing club on what will be limited resources? Pretty much, yes? Everton were a perennial bottom-half/relegation threatened team until Moyes came in. Granted, his second season saw them get their lowest points total ever or something, but the turnaround since then was superb. He worked hard with a failing squad, oversaw huge changes, made the most of the Rooney money and galvanised them into a very hard-to-beat, European-place challenging side. He doesn't shirk a challenge - in fact, he embraces them. His time at Man Utd really wasn't as bad as people make out, but he was the wrong 'type' of manager; not a big enough name to handle the egos. I love that he took on a role at Sociedad - even if he failed - not many British managers are willing to do this. If Moyes sees Villa as a project that he wants to get involved with then he'll give it everything. That's what I like. He's not a stepping-stone manager, he's a hard-working, determined and loyal individual. He'd stabilise the club whilst improving results on the pitch. What's not to want? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcowans21 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 32 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It wouldn't help get Moyes though. The away fans made it clear we wanted Lambert, so i think you are wrong on that point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said: Moyes managed Everton from 2002-2013. Look some of the finishing positions and look at us over the last five years. Why do people want Moyes? LOL 2004–05 4 2005–06 11 2006–07 6 2007–08 5 2008–09 5 2009–10 8 2010–11 7 2011–12 7 2012–13 6 My question remains, what ability does he have to manage a team in the championship who are a shambles and need to rebuild on limited resources. Show me. I'm asking the question I'm here to be persuaded. In fairness league positions with Everton over a period prove not much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyavfc Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 We're very lucky for Moyes to be interested and I hope we do everything to get him. I still expect a McCarthy or a Bruce type caliber manager to be appointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, Richard said: He also recommended Mcleish for us He is allowed the odd mistake.He bought that useless Italian goalkeeper as well BUT who has won as many trophies as him ?! so if he is not worth listening to then ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, MikeMcKenna said: I want Moyes because it would hopefully be a statement of intent. I don't know who would be my ideal choice if budgets, league etc were not factors. However I am damn sure I would feel less hopeful if we employ Pearson, Bruce, McCarthy or similar. Who would your first choice be? I'd go for Rowett I've said so on here and I think he would be ideal not least because he has a club connection, he can work in extremely difficult circumstances (sha were arguably worse than us) and I think he would be here semi long term enough and instill a completely new philosophy at the club. I am not saying Moyes would be crap, I am just doubting he is right for us and asking to be persuaded of his skills / ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) Looking back at Moyes time at Preston... Am I right in saying that he took them from 15th in division 2, to 3 years of challenging for promotion and then into division 1? ...To finish 4th after promotion might be wrong, phone isn't exactly making life easy in finding this stuff out. *Edit* Also just realised that'd be old division 1/2. So modern day championship and division 1. Edited April 18, 2016 by Duck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobler Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Rowett has far, far more to prove before I'd put consider putting the future of this club in his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, Zatman said: he also recommended Alex McLeish. would you take him at Villa? He also thinks Van Gaal should stay on at United Not that I care about Ferguson's opinion at all but there's a big difference between recommending a mate for a job at another club and picking your own successor. 6 minutes ago, Richard said: I was actually posing the question as to why people wanted Moyes and expressin my opinion that I'm not sure he is the right person for where we are as a club now. Did he have to totally rebuild a failing and shambolic Everton? I'll ignore largely what he did at Manure as it was a poisoned chalice but I would just add the ridicule he received on this site and others because of that. At the time it seemed a strange appointment and not the stature of manager for arguably one of the top three biggest clubs in Europs (then not now). So what is it about Moyes for us now that prove he can rebuild a failing club on what will be limited resources? You did also say this: I really think people want him not for the right reasons but because of what it is a link to He didn't have to undertake the kind of rebuild he would have to here but then again most managers haven't. Once again, who would be your first choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mantis said: Not that I care about Ferguson's opinion at all but there's a big difference between recommending a mate for a job at another club and picking your own successor. He did both. I've mentioned who I want and people can and will, no doubt, take as many pot shots at that as they will. I'm much like Lescott and Richards though not defensive at all. Just expressing an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcowans21 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Richard said: I'd go for Rowett I've said so on here and I think he would be ideal not least because he has a club connection, he can work in extremely difficult circumstances (sha were arguably worse than us) and I think he would be here semi long term enough and instill a completely new philosophy at the club. I am not saying Moyes would be crap, I am just doubting he is right for us and asking to be persuaded of his skills / ability. Moyes bought Preston up from League 1 and made it into the Championship play-offs with a very average team. That will do for me. Shows he can do it. His record is there in black and white for Everton. Doesn't need to prove anything. The Man Utd job is a poisoned chalice for anyone since Fergie left. Real Sociedad wasn't great admittedly. But he would be my choice, as if we did get promoted first time, he would build in the Premiership. I wouldn't trust Bruce or Pearson to do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 18, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2016 Rowett has potential. But that's all it is. It would be a huge gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 18, 2016 Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2016 16 minutes ago, Richard said: what ability does he have to manage a team in the championship who are a shambles and need to rebuild on limited resources Preston North End were a perennial shambles when he took over there. I used to go and watch them occasionally, midweek, with PNE supporting mates. He did a brilliant job there. He couldn't quite get them up, but he came very close. Not miracles like Wigan and Blackpool and Bournemouth going up (though 2 of those had decent money behind them), Of course it was a good while ago, but he's done well in the Endsleigh Leagues. pickiwedia sez Quote Moyes took over as Preston North End manager in January 1998, replacing Gary Peters as the club struggled in Division Two and were in danger of relegation. He had spent much of his playing career preparing for management, taking coaching badges at just 22 years of age and compiling notes on managers he had played under, their techniques and tactics.[9] Preston avoided relegation at the end of the 1997–98 season and reached the Division Two play-offs the following season, where they were beaten by Gillinghamat the semi-final stage. The following season, Moyes guided Preston to the Division Two title and a promotion to Division One. An even greater achievement perhaps was to steer Preston into the Division One play-offs the season after that, with largely the same squad. Preston lost 3–0 to Bolton Wanderers in the 2001 Football League First Division play-off Final, missing out on promotion to the Premier League 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post midian Posted April 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2016 We should be going all out to get Moyes,the class of Manager we are linked with compared to him is miles apart,IF and thats a big IF we got straight back up unlike Pearson,Bruce etc we would have a manager with Premier League experience.For me if Moyes is intrested we should go get him. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted April 18, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, Richard said: I'd go for Rowett I've said so on here and I think he would be ideal not least because he has a club connection, he can work in extremely difficult circumstances (sha were arguably worse than us) and I think he would be here semi long term enough and instill a completely new philosophy at the club. I am not saying Moyes would be crap, I am just doubting he is right for us and asking to be persuaded of his skills / ability. I wouldn't be totally averse to Rowett, however I don't necessarily think that his 'club connection' as a fan is of merit and likewise his 'skills/ability' beyond working for SHA are untested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, Richard said: He did both. I've mentioned who I want and people can and will, no doubt, take as many pot shots at that as they will. I'm much like Lescott and Richards though not defensive at all. Just expressing an opinion. Yes I'm aware of that and I'm saying there's a big difference between the two. I haven't seen you say who would be your first choice. Could you at least point in the direction of the post where you've said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, blandy said: Preston North End were a perennial shambles when he took over there. I used to go and watch them occasionally, midweek, with PNE supporting mates. He did a brilliant job there. He couldn't quite get them up, but he came very close. Not miracles like Wigan and Blackpool and Bournemouth going up (though 2 of those had decent money behind them), Of course it was a good while ago, but he's done well in the Endsleigh Leagues. pickiwedia sez Thanks for that. I just think it was a little long ago at a club with different circumstances and expectations to our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Absolutely great news RE Moyes. Let's hope our board don't blow the opportunity to bring in a quality manager, although knowing them, they probably will screw it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mantis said: Yes I'm aware of that and I'm saying there's a big difference between the two. I haven't seen you say who would be your first choice. Could you at least point in the direction of the post where you've said that? A few times but you will see in the post above yours Mike references my post about it EDIT and there may be a big difference between recommending a mate and recommending your successor but as I said he did do both and he did both badly Edited April 18, 2016 by Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richp999 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said: Moyes managed Everton from 2002-2013. Look some of the finishing positions and look at us over the last five years. Why do people want Moyes? LOL 2004–05 4 2005–06 11 2006–07 6 2007–08 5 2008–09 5 2009–10 8 2010–11 7 2011–12 7 2012–13 6 For reference : AVFC 2004-05 10th 2005-06 16th 2006-07 11th 2007-08 6th 2008-09 6th 2009-10 6th 2010-11 9th 2011-12 16th 2012-13 15th 2013-14 15th 2014-15 17th 2015-16 20th I think Everton finished above us every year bar 1 ?? God we have been sh*t for years haven't we ???? Cant believe that : 'David Moyes is interested in the Aston Villa manager's job but is yet to be contacted by the relegated club.' We should be biting his hand off. Who else can we get ? Are we waiting for Jose to walk through the front door ? Edited April 18, 2016 by richp999 .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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