NurembergVillan Posted March 26, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Boris hug? Would that make Gove the Naughty Monkey? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 The honourable member for the 19th century now indicating he'll back the agreement. It seems the penny has finally dropped he'll get nothing more extreme. I wish someone had seen that coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: The honourable member for the 19th century now indicating he'll back the agreement. It seems the penny has finally dropped he'll get nothing more extreme. I wish someone had seen that coming. This is big news, not because it's surprising (he won't be the only one coming to this realisation this morning) but because it a] signifies the beginning of the disintegration of the ERG as a cohesive Parliamentary bloc, and b] signifies the decoupling of the ERG and the DUP as voting blocs. The parliamentary maths for the deal is still difficult; last time there were only 7 other yes votes (4 independent, 3 Labour) which doesn't even cover the DUP let alone anyone like Bridgen(?) or Redwood(?) who may be permanently irreconcilable to May's WA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: 52% to 48%. So hopefully we can all agree that settles the permanent and incontrovertible will of the whole of Parliament. I'd have thought the 48% demanding a new vote would be more in keeping with the trend , a quick count of MP's based on helicopter footage from Westminster shows 9645 of them are in favour of this new vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: This is big news, not because it's surprising (he won't be the only one coming to this realisation this morning) but because it a] signifies the beginning of the disintegration of the ERG as a cohesive Parliamentary bloc, and b] signifies the decoupling of the ERG and the DUP as voting blocs. The parliamentary maths for the deal is still difficult; last time there were only 7 other yes votes (4 independent, 3 Labour) which doesn't even cover the DUP let alone anyone like Bridgen(?) or Redwood(?) who may be permanently irreconcilable to May's WA. There is also the realisation for people on the other side who previousl supported the WA that they might have more to gain than lose if they switch back to voting it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 26, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Brilliant 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: This is big news, not because it's surprising (he won't be the only one coming to this realisation this morning) but because it a] signifies the beginning of the disintegration of the ERG as a cohesive Parliamentary bloc, and b] signifies the decoupling of the ERG and the DUP as voting blocs. The parliamentary maths for the deal is still difficult; last time there were only 7 other yes votes (4 independent, 3 Labour) which doesn't even cover the DUP let alone anyone like Bridgen(?) or Redwood(?) who may be permanently irreconcilable to May's WA. I do think that Mogg is 'coming round' to May's deal partly because he has some belief in the idea that, with an alternative 'hard Brexit' Tory leader, they'd renege on it and hang the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 26, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 26, 2019 These are currently being put up in Belfast 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, blandy said: There is another chart that shows If you had to choose between the two, who would you prefer to see as the next Prime Minister? May score 28% to Corbyn's 20% ... v 41% for neither and 11% Don't know ... guess it shows why letting the public decide anything is a bad idea when represented with 2 options 11% vote for Don't know the good news for the great unwashed is Corbyns satisfaction % actually went up with 18 -24 year olds ... give it 20 years and Corbyn might make it to PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: I'd have thought the 48% demanding a new vote would be more in keeping with the trend , a quick count of MP's based on helicopter footage from Westminster shows 9645 of them are in favour of this new vote It depends. If the outcome of the vote went around in circles for 3 years getting absolutely nowhere then I would greatly sympathize with their position 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: the good news for the great unwashed is Corbyns satisfaction % actually went up with 18 -24 year olds ... give it 20 years and Corbyn might make it to PM Still has overwhelming support from the members as well, which is pretty tragic. He's not going anywhere until he loses another election. Sorry, what do I mean, "another", he won the last one didn't he? Edited March 26, 2019 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 26, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted March 26, 2019 44 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: 11% vote for Don't know "Don't know" must be code for Corbyn, as he's clueless. "Neither" must be code for May, as she won't listen to any one else and can't get her deal through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Quote MEPs approve sweeping changes to copyright law European copyright directive passed despite campaigning led by Google and internet freedom activists A controversial directive introducing sweeping changes to copyright enforcement across Europe has been approved by the European parliament, despite ferocious campaigning led by Google and internet freedom activists. The European copyright directive, voted in by 348 MEPs to 274 against, is best known for two provisions it contains: articles 11 and 13, referred to as the “link tax” and “upload filter”, respectively, by opponents. The latter has been the main focus of campaigning. It requires websites that host user-generated content to take active measures to prevent copyrighted material from being uploaded without permission, under the penalty of being held liable for their users’ copyright infringement. Article 11, the “link tax”, includes new requirements aimed at making companies like Google pay licensing fees to publications such as newspapers whose work gets aggregated in services like Google News. Supporters say it prevents multinational companies from freeloading on the work of others without paying for it, but critics argue that it effectively imposes a requirement for paying a fee to link to a website. Publishers and artists have pushed for the clauses, arguing that they would put an end to widespread infringement on sites such as YouTube and Instagram, while companies including Google and Amazon have attacked the measure as unworkable in practice, and overbearing to the extent that it may force them to close services in Europe. Article 13 has taken on a particular infamy thanks to the ways those companies have mobilised their user base on popular social sites such as Google’s YouTube and Amazon’s Twitch. Popular YouTubers including Philip DeFranco and FBE have run videos attacking the directive, as have Twitch streamers. The Amazon subsidiary even put together a livestream featuring European legislators playing Mario Kart as they talked about the harm the legislation could do. The campaigning reached such a level that many younger social media users ended up believing the internet would be deleted in Europe the day the legislation passed, posting heartfelt messages on Instagram wishing goodbye to their online friends. In a statement, a Google spokesperson told the Guardian: “The EU copyright directive is improved but will still lead to legal uncertainty and will hurt Europe’s creative and digital economies. The details matter, and we look forward to working with policymakers, publishers, creators and rights holders as EU member states move to implement these new rules.” Catherine Stihler, the chief executive of the Open Knowledge Foundation, a not-for-profit organisation which pushes for open data, said the vote was “a massive blow for every internet user in Europe. MEPs have rejected pleas from millions of EU citizens to save the internet, and chose instead to restrict freedom of speech and expression online. We now risk the creation of a more closed society at the very time we should be using digital advances to build a more open world where knowledge creates power for the many, not the few.” But legal experts argue that the directive is hard to read as requiring the sort of drastic action that technology firms fear. Kathy Berry, senior lawyer at Linklaters, says that “while article 13 may have noble aims, in its current form it functions as little more than a set of ideals, with very little guidance on exactly which service providers will be caught by it or what steps will be sufficient to comply.” More generally, Berry says, there are several further steps before article 13 becomes law. “It also needs to be approved by the European council. The council’s vote is scheduled for 8 or 15 April. Assuming it passes that stage, the directive will be signed by council and parliament before being published in the EU’s Official Journal, and will enter into force 20 days after that.” Even then, EU member states have a further two years to implement the directive into their own laws, which may mean that the UK is no longer in the EU at that point. “However, UK businesses providing their services in the EU will still have to comply.” https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/mar/26/meps-approve-sweeping-changes-to-copyright-law-european-copyright-directive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted March 26, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 26, 2019 Ooh, this is absolutely delicious... Quote 18 hours ago, 7 tweets, 3 min read Read on Twitter .@DanielJHannan and @DouglasCarswell wrote a book called The Plan which proposed this process for citizens to be able to use a petition to force a referendum to veto a parliamentary bill. (1/x) A simple binary referendum question must be offered. (2/x) The petition must be signed by 2.5% of the electorate and they suggest an online process. (The revoke Article 50 petition easily meets this threshold.) (3/x) Once the petition has been validated, the government may withdraw its plans. (4/x) If they do not, they must name a date for the referendum within 100 days. (5/x) So, @DanielJHannan and @DouglasCarswell, you have a choice between gross hypocrisy and supporting a #PeoplesVote. (6/6) PS. Here they are together at the launch of the book. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1110285223605006339.html 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 26, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, VILLAMARV said: “However, UK businesses providing their services in the EU will still have to comply.” See, this is the whole stupidity of Brexit in one small sentence, we do not lose "EU rules and regulation" "EU Laws" or "Regain our sovereignty", whichever way it's worded by leaving. Want to trade with the EU, you still have to comply, so even under WTO rules, YOU STILL HAVE TO COMPLY The law is dreadful by the way but that's beside the point 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, bickster said: See, this is the whole stupidity of Brexit in one small sentence, we do not lose "EU rules and regulation" "EU Laws" or "Regain our sovereignty", whichever way it's worded by leaving. Want to trade with the EU, you still have to comply, so even under WTO rules, YOU STILL HAVE TO COMPLY The law is dreadful by the way but that's beside the point But the most important thing is.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 48 minutes ago, VILLAMARV said: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/mar/26/meps-approve-sweeping-changes-to-copyright-law-european-copyright-directive We're really not far off from having a really, really shit European version of the internet. Thankfully VPNs exist, but the UK and EU are enemies of the internet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 38 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: But the most important thing is.. Do you have permission to post that? I fear you may have just infringed EU copyright law if you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 47 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: But the most important thing is.. They can have my job, but my gifs? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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