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snowychap Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 45 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Not a foregone conclusion we will even have the indicative votes, because of course May is whipping them to vote down the business motion Letwin has been saying that he rather suspected that they would though he's obviously disappointed that they have. I can't see why anyone would change their vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 27, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted March 27, 2019 Anyone in that chamber that trusts this government should come have a word with me about a bridge I have for sale. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Blimey, Bercow has just ruled out the government trying a 'paving motion' in order to bypass his ruling on the Meaningful Vote 'test'. He said that any attempt to move such a motion will be rejected. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cyrusr Posted March 27, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, snowychap said: Blimey, Bercow has just ruled out the government trying a 'paving motion' in order to bypass his ruling on the Meaningful Vote 'test'. He said that any attempt to move such a motion will be rejected. Good. Hopefully something can come about the votes this afternoon to stop this whole nonsense (though I doubt it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, cyrusr said: Good. Hopefully something can come about the votes this afternoon to stop this whole nonsense (though I doubt it). The government and a lot of backbench Tories are going to be utterly furious. Expect droves of them to stand up with points of order some time later today (perhaps after the 1922 Committee meeting with May). Much frothing and finger pointing will be seen from the likes of Francois, Michael Fabrication and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I don't know. Not sure how I feel about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 27, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, snowychap said: Michael Fabrication Me Like 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 well TM has had plenty of time to get support for her MV3 deal. We're all fed up of it. Now for something different at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted March 27, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, snowychap said: The government and a lot of backbench Tories are going to be utterly furious. Expect droves of them to stand up with points of order some time later today (perhaps after the 1922 Committee meeting with May). Much frothing and finger pointing will be seen from the likes of Francois, Michael Fabrication and others. If they do, it just reinforces the opinion that they see this process is governmental rather than parliamentary, when, as repeated time and time again, it is not (Noticed His Honourable Member for the 16th Century got this confused earlier). This government/Theresa May seem to act that they have a huge majority when they don't, they are just utterly belligerent in its thought process. It will be interesting if any of the options gain a majority whether the government would follow suite. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, bickster said: Me Like I don't. He's my word removed of an MP 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Can someone please explain something to me? EU have said time and time again the deal will not be re-negotiated and that's what we get. Why do all the PMs get their hopes up on being able to negotiate anything other than no deal or May's deal? It just seems to be it's a massive stroke fest that will face an ugly verification once we go back to Brussels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 27, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted March 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Can someone please explain something to me? EU have said time and time again the deal will not be re-negotiated and that's what we get. Why do all the PMs get their hopes up on being able to negotiate anything other than no deal or May's deal? It just seems to be it's a massive stroke fest that will face an ugly verification once we go back to Brussels. The withdrawal agreement isn't going to fundamentally change much, but the approach beyond that could (and should). May has set us on a course for a pretty shit outcome, more or less everyone else in the Commons wants some form of better outcome. The attacking of May's deal is mostly shorthand and politics for the fact her course is dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I don't know. Not sure how I feel about that. Nor me. It's not going down well with others, apparently. I wonder whether he might have to back down on it - which won't look good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 27, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted March 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, snowychap said: Nor me. It's not going down well with others, apparently. I wonder whether he might have to back down on it - which won't look good. The motive, in my opinion, for what he's been consistently doing is that where the Government has sought to "lock out" via weaseling shenanigans, the MPs from having a say, he's made rulings which counter those attempts. In my opinion, anyone looking at his actions as "well, this is a bit of a new precedent" or "this changes or challenges some unwritten convention" things might be right on the narrow point, but on the wider issue of what he's been doing, it's been countering the Government/May's contempt for fair play and democracy. In that regard he's acted comendably to give backbenchers and parliament a genuine role and say, against an authoritarian, dishonest PM and Gov't, while at the same time allowing Parliament the opportunity to unf*ck a mess of the government's making 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, blandy said: The motive, in my opinion, for what he's been consistently doing is that where the Government has sought to "lock out" via weaseling shenanigans, the MPs from having a say, he's made rulings which counter those attempts. In my opinion, anyone looking at his actions as "well, this is a bit of a new precedent" or "this changes or challenges some unwritten convention" things might be right on the narrow point, but on the wider issue of what he's been doing, it's been countering the Government/May's contempt for fair play and democracy. In that regard he's acted comendably to give backbenchers and parliament a genuine role and say, against an authoritarian, dishonest PM and Gov't, while at the same time allowing Parliament the opportunity to unf*ck a mess of the government's making I think you've misread or misunderstood my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I see the problem with that - the government committing to deliver what the House of Commons might agree upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 27, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, snowychap said: I think you've misread or misunderstood my post. I think I've used your post's mention of "It's not going down well with others, apparently" to put down my thoughts on what might to an extent counter these other [MPs etc] presumed complaints about convention or exceeding his authority. SOrry, I wasn't replying to you, just using your post to progress a line of my thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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