Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 31 minutes ago, ml1dch said: 39 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: In the face of the predictions some of the remainders should be packing already ? I expect that some of them are. It just does not add up. The amount of anti Brexit and remainers constantly saying it's going to be a disaster for everyone going forward is fine, I understand the vote did not go the way they wanted. What I don't get is if it is going to be such a disaster why are people going to inflict this on their children and so on in the future and just sit there and take it like good little citizens, unless they don't really believe what they say or write ? (I am not explaining it very well, sorry). It seems remainers will gladly tell you the ship is going to sink but not confident enough to get in a life raft and drift of into the sunset to pastures new? Either its not going to be as bad as they say or they are all giving it the biggun but ultimately do F*** all about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, snowychap said: And the remainder? :-) Struggling with my eyes at the moment. Waiting on new ones (Glasses, not eyes). 7 days to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post choffer Posted February 8, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: It seems remainers will gladly tell you the ship is going to sink but not confident enough to get in a life raft and drift of into the sunset to pastures new? Either its not going to be as bad as they say or they are all giving it the biggun but ultimately do F*** all about it. I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you suggesting that if you don't like Brexit or are worried about the fallout from it, you should just leave the country? It seems to me that "remainers" are doing something about it. They're talking about it, debating it, providing evidence for their concerns, marching in opposition, etc. What else is there to do? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: It seems remainers will gladly tell you the ship is going to sink but not confident enough to get in a life raft and drift of into the sunset to pastures new? Perhaps they don't want to be forced out? Perhaps they intend to stay and make the best of it whatever happens? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: It seems remainers will gladly tell you the ship is going to sink but not confident enough to get in a life raft and drift of into the sunset to pastures new? Either its not going to be as bad as they say or they are all giving it the biggun but ultimately do F*** all about it. I'm sorry, but that is totally daft. People should just leave? Uproot kids, families, lose friendships, jobs? And if they don't they're 'giving it the bigg'un'? And there's only a binary choice? Either it'll be okay or leave the country? What? Edited February 8, 2018 by StefanAVFC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 8, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: It just does not add up. The amount of anti Brexit and remainers constantly saying it's going to be a disaster for everyone going forward is fine, I understand the vote did not go the way they wanted. What I don't get is if it is going to be such a disaster why are people going to inflict this on their children and so on in the future and just sit there and take it like good little citizens, unless they don't really believe what they say or write ? (I am not explaining it very well, sorry). It seems remainers will gladly tell you the ship is going to sink but not confident enough to get in a life raft and drift of into the sunset to pastures new? Either its not going to be as bad as they say or they are all giving it the biggun but ultimately do F*** all about it. I don't want to move, and I shouldn't **** have to simply because it appears most of the residents I share this island with are thicker than 2 short planks. Besides which I'm not capable of it for various reasons that are nobody's business but mine. I have absolutely no doubt Brexit is a disaster. And I will be amongst the group's hit hardest I suspect. I'm not going to stop going on about it. That is something I can do. And what everyone else can do. I'm not sure we're quite at the point that armed rebellion would be possible or desirable. Some people will obviously be different and do want to leave and have the means to do so. I daresay a few of those will have plans on action, others will await exactly what we end up getting from the negotiations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted February 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: It just does not add up. The amount of anti Brexit and remainers constantly saying it's going to be a disaster for everyone going forward is fine, I understand the vote did not go the way they wanted. What I don't get is if it is going to be such a disaster why are people going to inflict this on their children and so on in the future and just sit there and take it like good little citizens, unless they don't really believe what they say or write ? (I am not explaining it very well, sorry). It seems remainers will gladly tell you the ship is going to sink but not confident enough to get in a life raft and drift of into the sunset to pastures new? Either its not going to be as bad as they say or they are all giving it the biggun but ultimately do F*** all about it. Bill Cash, Nigel Farage, John Redwood and the other europhobes didn't up and leave because they didn't get their own way. They tried to convince enough people that their repulsive ideology was right and they've finally succeeded. Now it's up to the side of decency to do the same. But your original point "why aren't some people leaving". Some of them are. Which turns your question into "why isn't everyone who thinks this is stupid leaving". Which is a bit daft. Edited February 8, 2018 by ml1dch 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 8, 2018 Moderator Share Posted February 8, 2018 26 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: It just does not add up. The amount of anti Brexit and remainers constantly saying it's going to be a disaster for everyone going forward is fine, I understand the vote did not go the way they wanted. What I don't get is if it is going to be such a disaster why are people going to inflict this on their children and so on in the future and just sit there and take it like good little citizens, unless they don't really believe what they say or write ? (I am not explaining it very well, sorry). It seems remainers will gladly tell you the ship is going to sink but not confident enough to get in a life raft and drift of into the sunset to pastures new? Either its not going to be as bad as they say or they are all giving it the biggun but ultimately do F*** all about it. Right now, we probably all have jobs and are settled where we are. Its a big step for many people just to up sticks with no prospects of work. My expertise is pretty specific and although I have transferable skills I don't have the languages to a degree useful enough to get a similar job in another country, I'm probably at the company that will pay me the most for what I do in the whole of Europe. I would imagine the vast majority of hardline remainers have their own circumstances that keep them here, especially as the possibility still exists that the whole shit show might not happen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted February 8, 2018 Moderator Share Posted February 8, 2018 32 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: It seems remainers will gladly tell you the ship is going to sink but not confident enough to get in a life raft and drift of into the sunset to pastures new? Either its not going to be as bad as they say or they are all giving it the biggun but ultimately do F*** all about it. Or, like me, you don't want to move back to mainland Europe right now because you don't know if you'll be allowed to stay after March 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 21 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: And there's only a binary choice? Either it'll be okay or leave the country? 25 minutes ago, snowychap said: Perhaps they don't want to be forced out? Perhaps they intend to stay and make the best of it whatever happens? Tbh it was what I thought was a pretty good question, not that daft if there are 5 million unemployed in 4 or 5 years time but lets see. At that point you wont be able to go anywhere anyway. My point remains though, if you are in a car that you are sure will crash, you are leaning out the window telling everyone we are going to crash but still are curious about what injuries and what ICU looks like from a patient POV after the crash. I am looking from the outside remember and I did just upticks in 3 months flat almost 20 years ago and leave England for good, daft I maybe but I did something about it other than call people names on the internet and hoping something bad wont happen to my family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Not everyone can afford it, have the means to do it, leave friends and family etc. If it was that easy I think a lot more people would do it, it’s hardly the friendly government, generous local councils and the tropical weather keeping everyone from leaving here. Im a single income nursing assistant. What hope have I got of moving abroad? I’m screwed either way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 I would love to live abroad tbh. Britain is shit. Partner is swedish but she doesn't want to live back there Give it another year of the shit show negotiations and she might be persuaded, but even then, with a life here, it's not an easy decision in reality. Where to work, where to live etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 8, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted February 8, 2018 1 hour ago, snowychap said: And the remainder? They'll rest where they are. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Tbh it was what I thought was a pretty good question, not that daft if there are 5 million unemployed in 4 or 5 years time but lets see. At that point you wont be able to go anywhere anyway. My point remains though, if you are in a car that you are sure will crash, you are leaning out the window telling everyone we are going to crash but still are curious about what injuries and what ICU looks like from a patient POV after the crash. I am looking from the outside remember and I did just upticks in 3 months flat almost 20 years ago and leave England for good, daft I maybe but I did something about it other than call people names on the internet and hoping something bad wont happen to my family Just because you did it, it doesn't mean that it is so easy or appropriate a solution for anyone/everyone else. Add to that the uncertainty (contrary to the claims of politicians and others) surrounding the rights that people may or may not keep post Brexit (or even in the implementation/transition period) and they may need to consider things very carefully (more so than you would have needed to have done 20 years ago). Also, who is to say that the grass will be greener if people were to upsticks and move to the Netherlands? It may well be that mainland Europe ends up suffering from other things (people attempting to rip up Schengen/dealing with the rise of nationalism) as well as also suffering a negative fall out from a shitty brexit and no-one's a winner. Edited February 8, 2018 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Even entertaining the thought that you should just leave if you're not happy with the result and impending disaster. I upped and moved well before Brexit and I have no plans on coming back yet. But when i want to come back, I want there to be a decent country to come back to. I may not live there now but I still give a shit. You don't stop caring just because you leave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: You don't stop caring just because you leave. 100 % true, in fact I watch more news (UK) now than I ever did when I lived there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Should I have been looking to leave the country every time the Tories won a General Election? It's a silly premise. As others have said. The hope is that Brexit either doesn't happen, or is steered in the direction of doing as little harm as possible. That means staying about and applying pressure. People disagreeing with Brexit leaving en masse, before it's even happened, is nonsense, for a variety of reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jon said: Should I have been looking to leave the country every time the Tories won a General Election? only if you posted on a football Forum that you would do so , I believe then it's legally binding 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chindie Posted February 8, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 8, 2018 Japanese with a not so veiled threat to sort our shit out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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