Chindie Posted February 23, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 23, 2018 I think you'll find a good British 'it'll be fine, don't be silly' is a silver bullet for all issues like 'regulatory divergence'. Tsk. Bloody Remoaners, always talking us down. Think of the Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 23, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2018 Apparently the guvmint did an away day yesterday and decided what they want from Brexit. Great News. Now they can trigger article 50 and we have 2 years to sort a few things out. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, blandy said: Apparently the guvmint did an away day yesterday and decided what they want from Brexit. It's all gone well. They've finally settled on a position of wanting to have all the good bits, but none of the bad bits. I don't know why they didn't just say that in the first place... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, blandy said: Apparently the guvmint did an away day yesterday and decided what they want from Brexit. footage from the sub committee away day at Chequers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 23, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 23, 2018 And that's just the Brexiteers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/23/post-brexit-customs-union-path-closed-says-jeremy-hunt Quote The government will not consider entering into a customs union with the EU after Brexit, Jeremy Hunt has insisted, setting up a Commons fight over the cabinet’s plans for leaving the bloc that could inflict a damaging defeat on the prime minister. After one senior Brexiter emerged from eight hours of cabinet talks at Chequers on Thursday to say “divergence was the victor”, the health secretary spelled out the government’s line on Friday morning, saying the way to a customs union was now closed. .... fecking idiots. Can only assume Hunt is the ultimate masochist, not content with savouring all the criticism, and disgust for his NHS efforts, let's really go hard for making our lives Brexit, really, needlessly complicated. Still, if your lives are never going to be touched regardless of either outcome, one presumes it's much easier to not give a shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted February 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2018 I can't take any credit for it, but it tickled me somewhat. From the FT comments section, via https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/02/tories-double-brexit-fantasies-eu-says-nein.html Hi – I’d like to discuss driving my LH drive car on your UK motorways. I’d like to follow my own local laws but I’m going to make sure that I follow the principle of “equivalence of outcomes” so I will always drive with the aim of not crashing. I recognise that continuing to drive on the right as I do at home would create difficulties given the flow of traffic in the UK, but obviously on a motorway I will be able to drive in the outside lane and treat it as the equivalent of the slow lane at home – I believe this will be an acceptable compromise that recognises my sovereignty while creating a deep and special road-based relationship. I find roundabouts confusing but traffic lights are ok, so I’d like to diverge when I get to a roundabout, always subject to the overriding “equivalence of outcomes” principle, so I promise to not actually crash. Your police may be concerned by the screeching tyres and evasive action of other road users as I exercise my very limited and reasonable “right to diverge” but I hope you will regard this as evidence of the vibrant and dynamic nature of our new deep and special relationship. If an accident does happen I don’t want to be subject to UK courts since that would infringe my sovereignty. Instead I propose that we set up an independent tribunal to adjudicate. Over time there my be other aspects of your motorway laws that I find difficult to comply with or just hard to understand so I reserve the right to follow a programme of “ambitious managed divergence” – we can discuss the details as we go along (just call me on my mobile – it’s not hands-free but I can usually reach it in the passenger footwell – I can always stop if I think it’s unsafe to continue driving – people hoot as they swerve to avoid me parked in the fast lane but reaching the hard shoulder is such a pain and I find driving without the music of the horns is distracting). I look forward to forging a deep and special partnership of motorway users. But let us be creative as well as practical in designing an ambitious partnership which respects the freedoms and principles of the UK, and the wishes of the foreign drivers like me. A partnership of interests, a partnership of values; a partnership of ambition for a shared future: UK drivers and me side by side delivering prosperity and opportunity for all. This is the future within our grasp – so, together, let us seize it. 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chindie Posted February 23, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 23, 2018 The aviation regulator is so against a hard Brexit (as it would just copy the European one we already use at needless cost and waste of time, or diverge from the European regulatory regime and make outright chaos) they've actually refused to do any prep towards it as the option is so stupid they don't want to make it appear at all viable. Silly aviation regulator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Over the weekend I was listening to a first-person theory from one of the foremost thinkers of our time on how this came about: I saw myself as a concealed attraction I felt you kept me away from the heat and the action Just like a child, stubborn and misconceiving That's how I started the show, one of us had to go Spoiler ...Sorry for herself, feeling stupid, feeling small Wishing she had never left at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 So today seems like it might be interesting? I haven't been following too closely, but I understand Corbyn is planning to whip Labour to vote along with a Tory amendment to remain in the customs union. In which case, if my understanding is correct, then today is very much 'shit or get off the pot' for Tory 'rebel' darlings like Anna Soubry, Heidi Allen etc. Vote for a sane Brexit, or vote against Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 26, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 26, 2018 Vote against Corbyn, surely? This is the Tories we're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted February 26, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: So today seems like it might be interesting? I haven't been following too closely, but I understand Corbyn is planning to whip Labour to vote along with a Tory amendment to remain in the customs union. In which case, if my understanding is correct, then today is very much 'shit or get off the pot' for Tory 'rebel' darlings like Anna Soubry, Heidi Allen etc. Vote for a sane Brexit, or vote against Corbyn. Not sure when the vote will be now (at the end) Quote The government has delayed a vote planned for this week on the Trade Bill, which could have seen pro-European Tory rebels joining forces with Labour to vote for an amendment keeping the UK in a customs union after Brexit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 7 hours ago, Chindie said: Vote against Corbyn, surely? This is the Tories we're talking about. Looks like you're right, as we're seeing today: 'Stephen Hammond said it was too soon to say what he would do. On the Daily Politics, asked if he was willing to vote with Labour on this issue, he replied: "This is a process. We are a long way from that yet." He also described Corbyn’s speech as “vacuous”, and went on: "If Jeremy Corbyn is the answer, the only question is how do you support UK jobs, and I won’t be doing anything to support that." And a few hours later Jonathan Djanogly told BBC News that the customs union amendments (although NC5 is seen as the main one, there are others) were not necessarily intended to be put to a vote . . . And when pressed about whether he would vote with Labour, he replied: "I have not said that a customs union of whatever sort is necessarily going to be something that I support." https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/feb/26/brexit-tories-lash-out-at-corbyn-as-he-backs-staying-in-customs-union-with-eu-politics-live?page=with:block-5a942857e4b05c4378ef1507#block-5a942857e4b05c4378ef1507 Party before country, as usual. I guess I would expect nothing less. I just wish we'd hear less of them described in the media as heroic rebels standing up to the party whip. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 As a side note, "If Jeremy Corbyn is the answer, the only question is how do you support UK jobs, and I won’t be doing anything to support that" seems like a pretty massive self-own if that's actually what he said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) It’s kinda laughable that not voting with Jeremy Corbyn’s have your cake and eat it idea is putting party before country Edited February 26, 2018 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 26, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Looks like you're right, as we're seeing today: 'Stephen Hammond said it was too soon to say what he would do. On the Daily Politics, asked if he was willing to vote with Labour on this issue, he replied: "This is a process. We are a long way from that yet." He also described Corbyn’s speech as “vacuous”, and went on: "If Jeremy Corbyn is the answer, the only question is how do you support UK jobs, and I won’t be doing anything to support that." And a few hours later Jonathan Djanogly told BBC News that the customs union amendments (although NC5 is seen as the main one, there are others) were not necessarily intended to be put to a vote . . . And when pressed about whether he would vote with Labour, he replied: "I have not said that a customs union of whatever sort is necessarily going to be something that I support." https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/feb/26/brexit-tories-lash-out-at-corbyn-as-he-backs-staying-in-customs-union-with-eu-politics-live?page=with:block-5a942857e4b05c4378ef1507#block-5a942857e4b05c4378ef1507 Party before country, as usual. I guess I would expect nothing less. I just wish we'd hear less of them described in the media as heroic rebels standing up to the party whip. Shocked, I tell you, shocked. Though in fairness Corbyn's speech hardly won me over either. Then again the only speech that would win me over would start with 'Look, this is **** stupid, Brexit's cancelled' and end with a call to bring stocks for the morons that demand it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) 50 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: It’s kinda laughable that not voting with Jeremy Corbyn’s have your cake and eat it idea is putting party before country I'm glad to cause some mirth! But actually the amendment is their own, rather than Corbyn's. And at the end of the day, you either believe that we need to be in a customs union or you don't, and they keep saying they do, so. Edited February 26, 2018 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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snowychap Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Tories seek legal advice on vote after Jeremy Corbyn backs customs union Quote Conservative MPs have sought legal advice about the prospect of Theresa May losing a parliamentary vote on a post-Brexit customs union as Jeremy Corbyn made clear that it had now the support of Labour, the Guardian understands. The opposition leader attempted to outflank the Conservatives with the business community by promising to place such an arrangement firmly on the table in a speech on Monday that won the cautious backing of industry representatives. Corbyn’s suggestion that Labour would pursue “a new, comprehensive UK-EU customs union” after Brexit was praised by the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) and the Institute of Directors (IoD), as well as the former Conservative chancellor George Osborne. He claimed the Tories had offered Labour an “open goal” by making no customs union a red line and Corbyn had “just kicked the ball into the back of it”. The development places May on a collision course with a number of her remain-supporting backbenchers, whose amendment to the trade bill calling for the government to pursue a customs union will now have the backing of the entire Labour party. The government has already moved to delay the vote until after May’s local election because of fears that it cannot be won. And now, in a sign of further concern about the impact of a defeat, senior Brexit Tory MPs have sought advice on whether the amendment is legally binding to assess whether May could accept it without having to fulfil its demands. Other MPs, who previously backed remain, are expecting May to shift her position slightly in a speech on Friday laying out the UK’s opening gambit in negotiations for a future trade deal. A message from one lawyer suggested that the wording – which calls for it to be a government “objective” to ensure Britain can participate in a customs union after leaving the EU – is sufficiently vague. They said the prime minister could accept it but then argue that the outcome was not achievable in negotiations. ...more on link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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