AVFCAM Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Just now, Genie said: Maybe we could swap the cup win for a extra point in the league You missed the point, we were shit under Tim but we've managed to find another level if shitness since we sacked him. A win against the local rivals is always welcome whoever you are. You're absolutely right, we have got worse. Tim had 3 wins (albeit in a few more games), now we have zero. I've just got a bit bored of people walking round saying "at least we beat the Blues" like it makes everything better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Genie said: Maybe we could swap the cup win for a extra point in the league You missed the point, we were shit under Tim but we've managed to find another level if shitness since we sacked him. A win against the local rivals is always welcome whoever you are. No we haven't - we were this bad under Sherwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Just now, AVFCAM said: I've just got a bit bored of people walking round saying "at least we beat the Blues" like it makes everything better... Working with what we've got unfortunately. It seems to do the trick of shutting them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 8 minutes ago, mwj said: Remi is the man for that job. Based on? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Who **** cares about the **** win % or anything else this season for **** sake. We are down and need a rebuild. Remi is the man for that job. It's this that I just cannot fathom, what has Remi Garde done at Villa or anywhere else to allow you to so confidently declare he is the man to rebuild our squad in the Championship? His experience developing youth players. If we're going to root and branch the squad we may as well do it properly with kids. I don't want Moyes, Pulis, Allardyce or any of these other boring picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 9 minutes ago, mwj said: Who **** cares about the **** win % or anything else this season for **** sake. We are down and need a rebuild. Remi is the man for that job. Not sure what you're suggesting, that even after January and until the end of this entire season we continue our current form under this manager he is hte right man to pull us out of the Championship? I'm going to guess I'm reading this wrong, because that is just utter nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 He made some bad decisions today but as others say to blame all of our current situation on the manager is ludicrous. We have 3 home game next up- the aim should be to win at least one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Mantis said: No we haven't - we were this bad under Sherwood. Well I disagree, and the stats support it. Tim 14 games, 21% win rate. Remi 10 games, 0% win rate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Just now, Genie said: Well I disagree, and the stats support it. Tim 14 games, 21% win rate. Remi 10 games, 0% win rate. 14 games? Where are you getting that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mantis said: 14 games? Where are you getting that from? The fixture list.... Actually it's 13 games because he wasn't in charge for the spurs loss when Remi was in the stands. So 3 wins in 13 games = 23% Edited January 9, 2016 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 9 minutes ago, Mantis said: No we haven't - we were this bad under Sherwood. I thought he was brought in to improve things 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Genie said: The fixture list.... Actually it's 13 games because he wasn't in charge for the spurs loss when Remi was in the stands. So 3 wins in 13 games = 23% But you're counting cup games. Without them it's just 9% and that win was on the first game of the season. And of course, the fact that the diabolical run under Sherwood preceded Garde's arrival undoubtedly made it even more difficult for him. Edited January 9, 2016 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 We are as good as down changing manager again won't help us ,we need a bit of continuity moving forward the squad needs rebuilding and it has to be done with championship in mind.I am disappointed that there hasn't been a bounce since Garde arrived but that's not necessarily his fault ,we have a keeper defence and strike force that aren't up to PL standards none of these players are his he needs to be given a chance to build his own team before we write him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 You also have to factor Sherwood had them when confidence was normal and a full pre season. Garde has taken over with the side down in the dumps. We needed experience. Was a shocking appointment 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, Mantis said: But you're counting cup games. Without them it's just 9% and that win was on the first game of the season. And of course, the fact that the diabolical run under Sherwood preceded Garde's arrival undoubtedly made it even more difficult for him. A win is a win, and as they say winning becomes a habit. If it makes you happier to filter them out then it's up to you I guess. I was just making the point that in my opinion with us tasting victory now and again under Tim we'd be better off in the league keeping him than swapping him for RG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didiersix Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Tell you what if Remi was struggling to attract players before January, imagine what it is like now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 The problem isn't the man in the dugout, it's the players on the pitch and the muppets on the board that bought them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Ive never seen and new manager come into a club to take over from a bad one , be worse and people let him off because it was shite before he joined so it seems to be acceptable that it's still shite! Presumably he was brought in to be better than sherwood and get more out of the team. A ew manager is never going to have 100% his own players but he is expected to have managerial ability to get the best out of the players he has. There're is no improvement , we are further behind. If it is acceptable that it's as shit as Sherwood we may have just stuck with Sherwood see if Sherwood was shite (and he was) because the performances were bad and the performances are just as bad now then equally you have to judge Garde as shite . Or else if you are happy with Garde now you should have been happy with Sherwood then ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Genie said: A win is a win, and as they say winning becomes a habit. If it makes you happier to filter them out then it's up to you I guess. I was just making the point that in my opinion with us tasting victory now and again under Tim we'd be better off in the league keeping him than swapping him for RG. It's not about it "making me happier", it's about trying to fairly compare two different periods which is difficult enough as it is when you consider all the factors. Fact is, we were doing diabolical under Sherwood and although Garde hasn't really made it better he hasn't really made it worse either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 But mantis his job was to make it better ! If he hasn't improved on Sherwood then why get rid? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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