StanBalaban Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Edit - wrong thread Edited August 22, 2015 by StanBalaban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Playing with Gabby is generally like playing with 10 men 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I think Sherwood is giving Gabby his chance to prove himself. Could be his last chance saloon. His last chance number 437. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Meanwhile for them. McCarthy, Ward, Delaney, Dann, Souare, McArthur, Cabaye, Zaha, Puncheon, Sako, Murray. No Bolasie. For all the praise that Palace receive for the squad they have built, (correctly so) I believe our match day squad is at least on a par (I actually think it's better) 1-2 Gabby & Gestede. For me the biggest problem with Villa for the last many many years (and looks like it will be this year too) is that I can never figure out what formation we are playing and what our philosophy is (long ball or passing or wing play or central play), we always have a bunch of players playing out of position which makes our starting eleven very messy and unbalanced. We have no idea what tactic we are playing today,we might be playing a 433, 4231, 41212 or 4312 and I bet we will be no wiser when the match is finished, if you look at all the good teams in the world you can look at their starting eleven and know exactly how they are playing and who is playing where (ofc they are also fluid and players are allowed to roam out of position) . Therefor I feel Palace's squad look a lot stronger, they play a simple 4231, quick wingers creative and flamboyant cam with a strong striker. Simple but effective. odd post. so because you can't figure it out, the players don't know? It very often looks like the players don't know, most often it looks like we don't really play a formation but we just have 11 players on the pitch. Usually when we use wingers we use strikers who drift all over the place (gabby, Ayew this season). It usually just looks messy. Every strong team has one preferred formation and we don't seem to have one. First two games this season we were short of options upfront due to the fitness/injuries, I think now we'll start to see more obvious shape. Sherwood even said as much that he's happy we now have options. I do agree though under Lambert it was hard to see the game plan, although how much of that was down to the lack of instruction, effectiveness of the game plan and the players ability to execute it I'm not sure. Probably equal measures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Will it be a midfield diamond with Grealish as the point or 3 man midfield with Grealish and gabby either side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Very open team from palace, Pardew's dropping of Jedinak annoys Palace fans. Our 3 man midfield can hopefully control things. dropped Jedinak? is that a bit of an arrogant move, thinking they don't need him to control our midfield? Well he hasn't been starting this season, not just today. ah ok, fair enough. Their first XI doesn't really look fantastic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I think Sherwood is giving Gabby his chance to prove himself. Could be his last chance saloon. His last chance number 437. Just think the focus is on him now as we have much better players in the squad. Somehow I think Sherwood has an issue with Gabby, thinking that if he drops him altogther the fans may react negatively towards him, when really I think the it will be a morjority opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted August 22, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted August 22, 2015 Will it be a midfield diamond with Grealish as the point or 3 man midfield with Grealish and gabby either side? probably Grealish and Gabby wide, helping out in midfield to make it a 5 when needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 22, 2015 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2015 I think it's a bit of a combination of two things - Gabby and Gestede up top makes sense without Grealish - you can lump long balls up to Gestede and hope Gabby picks up the scraps - if we're playing Grealish as a no. 10 then Gestede's lack of movement and Gabby's lack of intelligent movement put a lot of pressure on Jack. I've a feeling Gabby won't be up front next to Gestede and will have more of a roaming role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Meanwhile for them. McCarthy, Ward, Delaney, Dann, Souare, McArthur, Cabaye, Zaha, Puncheon, Sako, Murray. No Bolasie. For all the praise that Palace receive for the squad they have built, (correctly so) I believe our match day squad is at least on a par (I actually think it's better) 1-2 Gabby & Gestede. For me the biggest problem with Villa for the last many many years (and looks like it will be this year too) is that I can never figure out what formation we are playing and what our philosophy is (long ball or passing or wing play or central play), we always have a bunch of players playing out of position which makes our starting eleven very messy and unbalanced. We have no idea what tactic we are playing today,we might be playing a 433, 4231, 41212 or 4312 and I bet we will be no wiser when the match is finished, if you look at all the good teams in the world you can look at their starting eleven and know exactly how they are playing and who is playing where (ofc they are also fluid and players are allowed to roam out of position) . Therefor I feel Palace's squad look a lot stronger, they play a simple 4231, quick wingers creative and flamboyant cam with a strong striker. Simple but effective. odd post. so because you can't figure it out, the players don't know? It very often looks like the players don't know, most often it looks like we don't really play a formation but we just have 11 players on the pitch. Usually when we use wingers we use strikers who drift all over the place (gabby, Ayew this season). It usually just looks messy. Every strong team has one preferred formation and we don't seem to have one. with so many new players that is to be expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 22, 2015 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2015 i've got a horrible feeling that Palace's home form, their excellent crowd and decent squad will be too much for us today. I've a feeling we'll lose this one 3-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 This really should be Gabby's last chance as a given starter. Invisible today and he should be dropped. I think we'll draw this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 not even the pre match adrenaline fuelled optimism is stopping me from thinking its a draw. more of a contest than last year would be ok by me even if we lose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Field Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Meanwhile for them. McCarthy, Ward, Delaney, Dann, Souare, McArthur, Cabaye, Zaha, Puncheon, Sako, Murray. No Bolasie. For all the praise that Palace receive for the squad they have built, (correctly so) I believe our match day squad is at least on a par (I actually think it's better) 1-2 Gabby & Gestede. For me the biggest problem with Villa for the last many many years (and looks like it will be this year too) is that I can never figure out what formation we are playing and what our philosophy is (long ball or passing or wing play or central play), we always have a bunch of players playing out of position which makes our starting eleven very messy and unbalanced. We have no idea what tactic we are playing today,we might be playing a 433, 4231, 41212 or 4312 and I bet we will be no wiser when the match is finished, if you look at all the good teams in the world you can look at their starting eleven and know exactly how they are playing and who is playing where (ofc they are also fluid and players are allowed to roam out of position) . Therefor I feel Palace's squad look a lot stronger, they play a simple 4231, quick wingers creative and flamboyant cam with a strong striker. Simple but effective. odd post. so because you can't figure it out, the players don't know? It very often looks like the players don't know, most often it looks like we don't really play a formation but we just have 11 players on the pitch. Usually when we use wingers we use strikers who drift all over the place (gabby, Ayew this season). It usually just looks messy. Every strong team has one preferred formation and we don't seem to have one. First two games this season we were short of options upfront due to the fitness/injuries, I think now we'll start to see more obvious shape. Sherwood even said as much that he's happy we now have options. I do agree though under Lambert it was hard to see the game plan, although how much of that was down to the lack of instruction, effectiveness of the game plan and the players ability to execute it I'm not sure. Probably equal measures. Hopefully, I would rather see us play players who fit our formation instead of us playing a formation to fit our players(if that makes any sense). But you are right though that last season under Sherwood we played the Christmas tree formation quite consistently. Hopefully he has an idea of how and what formation he wants us to play regularly from now on. I my self am a sucker for proper wingers, I really hope Adama is a good as he looks on youtube, as we are quite lacking in quality there (I must apologize for my poor English as it is not my first language, so it can be quite difficult for me to get my point across ) Edited August 22, 2015 by Chicken Field 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 1-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Honestly I would have had no idea, your English is better than most the English guys on here! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT123 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Didn't we get absolutely dominated last year even though we won? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_serpente Posted August 22, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted August 22, 2015 English is my first language and I still have trouble getting my point across. [emoji3]No apology needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 The team is just about right apart from Gabby, although he's presumably starting due to the fitness of other attacking player (Traore and Gil) not being up to scratch and Ayew looking out of sorts against United. Hopefully Traore comes on in the second half. Veretout being replaced with Sanchez is a great call, we're going to have to be more solid and defend in this one and Veretout hasn't looked up to the pace as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunkyluke Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I've just poured myself an ice-cold martini, thrown on the PJ's and am settling in to listen to what I reckon will be 2-1 win to us. Graelish to open his account and a Gestede header from an amavi cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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