Demitri_C Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, markavfc40 said: Governments most definitely do have the power to do something. It is the will that this current government lacks. I hope you are right mark but im not at all optimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Demitri_C said: I hope you are right mark but im not at all optimistic I think we also need to remember in terms of the corruption around covid it was friends/family/major donors of the Tories that benefited by hundreds of thousands/millions/tens of millions of pounds. That alone has meant the Tories were never going to go after those who they'd facilitated. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 10, 2023 So, when does their conference start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Shame they have been very overshadowed by world events, but even as a neutral they appear to be providing enough answers to the country's problems, at a time when ahead in the polls anyway, that I cannot see how they lose from here. I'm actually feeling optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Jareth said: I'm actually feeling optimistic. I wish I shared your optimism. After what's happened in Israel this week, the right leaning Tory papers are already stating that Starmer was a Corbyn supporter in 2019, and then suggesting Corbyn is supportive of the actions Hamas took against the Israeli's. The link they suggest is fairly obvious. We're going to have stories and smears like this until the next election, and we know that parts of the public quite happily buy into it. I read one column today that suggested that the anti-Semites in the party never went away; they were just being quiet. Again, people believe this BS, and it never seems to be challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, Jonesy7211 said: I wish I shared your optimism. After what's happened in Israel this week, the right leaning Tory papers are already stating that Starmer was a Corbyn supporter in 2019, and then suggesting Corbyn is supportive of the actions Hamas took against the Israeli's. The link they suggest is fairly obvious. We're going to have stories and smears like this until the next election, and we know that parts of the public quite happily buy into it. I read one column today that suggested that the anti-Semites in the party never went away; they were just being quiet. Again, people believe this BS, and it never seems to be challenged. 100% - this gives the tories licence to go pin demonic Corbyn on Starmer and the wider Labour party. I don't like Starmer personally but clearly he's a smart operator by dumping Jezza so early and IMHO I think he's successfully insulated Labour from these attacks. They will try of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: What's his cause? Didn't get it before he went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Seat68 said: What's his cause? Didn't get it before he went down. He says “True Democracy is citizen led. Politics needs an update. We are in crisis. We need a People’s House!”. Maybe he was looking for directions to the pub? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Call me a bit of a sceptic, but that whole sequence just feels off. Why does Starmer just politely stand there with no reaction? He doesn't even look at the guy accosting him for more than a glance, and even security didn't seem that bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, LondonLax said: He says “True Democracy is citizen led. Politics needs an update. We are in crisis. We need a People’s House!”. Maybe he was looking for directions to the pub? Makes sense, more sense than the Democracy is disciple lead that I though I heard Given your answer, I'd suggest campaigning for a move to PR and a second elected chamber (de facto abolishing the HoL at the same time) Not sure what the fairy dust signifies though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, wishywashy said: Call me a bit of a sceptic, but that whole sequence just feels off. Why does Starmer just politely stand there with no reaction? He doesn't even look at the guy accosting him for more than a glance, and even security didn't seem that bothered. Because the cameras are on him and he will be judged by his reaction (or over reaction). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Jonesy7211 said: I wish I shared your optimism. After what's happened in Israel this week, the right leaning Tory papers are already stating that Starmer was a Corbyn supporter in 2019, and then suggesting Corbyn is supportive of the actions Hamas took against the Israeli's. The link they suggest is fairly obvious. We're going to have stories and smears like this until the next election, and we know that parts of the public quite happily buy into it. I read one column today that suggested that the anti-Semites in the party never went away; they were just being quiet. Again, people believe this BS, and it never seems to be challenged. Tories stole Covid money to back Hamas to attack the Israelis in order blame Corbyn and bring labour down. Simple’s. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Because the cameras are on him and he will be judged by his reaction (or over reaction). If it was a stunt, he should have decked him with the cameras at the perfect angle to re-enact that Ali vs Frazier picture. The protestor was right, politics is broken, but from Labour's POV it would certainly bring a lot more attention to the conference than the "protest or power" line. Edited October 10, 2023 by wishywashy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Should have done a Prescott - vote winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On that whole "when will The Sun come out and back Labour" thing from a couple of days ago, this probably gives a fairly good indication of where their winds are blowing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Wainy316 said: Lets just for a second forget this is glitter. How has this was allowed to happen and why did security take so long to get the protester off starmer? If this was a mad man and he pulled a knife on starmer this could have been a very serious situation Should be a massive investigation on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 10, 2023 I'm guessing one of the reasons it was glitter is that it's a relatively easy thing to get past security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 On 09/10/2023 at 17:01, markavfc40 said: I think we also need to remember in terms of the corruption around covid it was friends/family/major donors of the Tories that benefited by hundreds of thousands/millions/tens of millions of pounds. That alone has meant the Tories were never going to go after those who they'd facilitated. Are you confusing a few things here. Legitimate companies that benefitted for no apparent gain versus fraud. Labour and the HMRC in particular are talking about fraud generated from schemes created to support covid. Activity like creating a fake company to apply for bounce back loans. While i think the government may have enabled associates/colleagues and many others to benefit from investments made through covid, I dont think ive seen any evidence that they were part of fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 11, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 11, 2023 I'm really liking this nation owned green power company Will be a pleasant change to have UK PLC making money out of our power instead of France PLC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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