chrisp65 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 38 minutes ago, terrytini said: Oven ready ! Exactly. Just stick it in the microwave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 4, 2020 Moderator Share Posted April 4, 2020 56 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I guess I'm skeptical how much it matters whether someone is 'forensic at this despatch box' I think as you say not many people watch or listen to it and get influenced, but what it does demonstrate is an ability to think quickly, to understand what the other is saying, and to respond to that position or claim with accuracy. The worst part of the PMQ thing is/was the sloganeering and saying stuff for a Youtube edit to send round to fans - "look here's the leader raising such and such an issue". I know the whole PMQ thing has waned as a consequence of May and Corbyn being essentially useless at it, and then Johnson barely bothering at all with it, but if Starmer can "be forensic" at the dispatch box, then media can pick up on it and it the points made can get a wider audience that will make a difference. Corbyn was mostly dreadful at it, slow witted, obstinately sticking to pre-prepared lines, rather than reacting to what May/Johnson said. We were talking about dim politicians earlier, and Corbyn is dim. Starmer isn't. It matters. Competence matters hugely - it's my number one requirement, really, in a politician - equal alongside honesty (yeah, I know) and the ability to actually listen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Si. said: The left is dead. Dead in the water. Yet Boris Tory Johnson copies literally every policy created by the most Left Labour leader since forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, Jareth said: Yet Boris Tory Johnson copies literally every policy created by the most Left Labour leader since forever. And yet he is called a right wing politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, Jareth said: Yet Boris Tory Johnson copies literally every policy created by the most Left Labour leader since forever. Literally every? Sweet baby jesus are they handing back the railways? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: The whispers about Rachel Reeves are not encouraging. Agreed - it would be a finger in the eye of anyone who voted Corbyn, Reeves has been a consistent enemy of Left policy, and I hate to say this, but cos Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 4, 2020 Moderator Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, Seat68 said: Literally every? Sweet baby jesus are they handing back the railways? Might as well, they've failed, the trains are now running on time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Seat68 said: Literally every? Sweet baby jesus are they handing back the railways? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/covid-19-government-suspends-rail-franchise-agreements England’s trains have effectively been nationalised, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted April 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 Yet here I am still paying for my broadband. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 4, 2020 Moderator Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, Jareth said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/covid-19-government-suspends-rail-franchise-agreements England’s trains have effectively been nationalised, Wondered why Northern Rail were actually running trains, instead of cancelling them because it was cheaper to pay the compo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, Davkaus said: Yet here I am still paying for my broadband. This (free broadband) has actually been mooted by Tory policy makers - given the shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I didn't vote for Starmer, and am yet to be convinced he's the right man for the job. I'll say this though, as long as he's the leader of the party, and the movement, you'll not hear me bad mouthing him on the door step. As any party member or trade unionists should, I'll hold him to account. He has built a level of expectation, based on what he campaigned on during the leadership election, and I sincerely hope he backs his words with actions. The current situation aside, I would say it was going to be a tough job for any new leader to get the party back into an election winning position. I wish him all the luck in the world, and hope he has what it takes to beat the Tories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Just now, dAVe80 said: I wish him all the luck in the world, and hope he has what it takes to beat the Tories. Absolutely. I resent the parts of Labour that did what they did to Corbyn, but unlike that lot, I will back the new leader. Starmer's 10 policy ideas are so similar to what was offered at the last election that he must be taken seriously. But you can almost hear the Blairish tenticles wrapping themselves around him now - the NEC elections also have made it more likely that membership decision making is reduced. If it goes too far, the membership will fall away - but that said it may make them more electable and I'll take anyone but Lord Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 4, 2020 Moderator Share Posted April 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, bickster said: Wondered why Northern Rail were actually running trains, instead of cancelling them because it was cheaper to pay the compo The tories rightly took northern rail’s contract off them for being utterly awful, regardless of coronofungus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 4, 2020 Moderator Share Posted April 4, 2020 47 minutes ago, blandy said: The tories rightly took northern rail’s contract off them for being utterly awful, regardless of coronofungus. Yeah but they still seem to be running the trains! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Jareth said: Agreed - it would be a finger in the eye of anyone who voted Corbyn, Reeves has been a consistent enemy of Left policy, and I hate to say this, but cos Israel. I don't know about her opinions on Israel, but I do know that she's been on a journey rightwards ever since she was elected. She supported Ed M in 2010, Yvette Cooper (I think?) in 2015, and Jess Phillips in 2020, which suggests that she's becoming ever more conservative. It would be a huge mistake to give the most important job to somebody who will a] completely demoralise the majority of the membership, and b] is most famous for deficit hawkishness and arguing that budgets should be balanced off the backs of the poorest. The last thing we need is for Tories to be chuckling over how Sunak is kinder to the poor than the shadow chancellor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted April 4, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 hours ago, meregreen said: Clement Attlee. The greatest PM we have had, in my opinion.Looked and sounded like a bank manager. It’s not how they look or sound that counts, it’s what they do. Unfortunately, that was in a very different era, when there was no Facebook or Twitter, and the electorate did not treat a GE as being in the same category as Strictly or The X Factor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 3 hours ago, mjmooney said: Unfortunately, that was in a very different era, when there was no Facebook or Twitter, and the electorate did not treat a GE as being in the same category as Strictly or The X Factor. I agree. Hard lessons will I think be learnt over the next 5 years. Still think Tory support is a veneer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Jareth said: I resent the parts of Labour that did what they did to Corbyn Wasn’t Starmer one of them ? He resigned as part of the push to replace Corbyn in 2016 didn’t he ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 7 hours ago, meregreen said: Clement Attlee. The greatest PM we have had, in my opinion.Looked and sounded like a bank manager. It’s not how they look or sound that counts, it’s what they do. Maybe second behind Thatcher ... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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