pacbuddies Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 One thing that I've learned over the past few years is that it is impossible to predict Villa results yet year in year out we get the same tedious doom and gloom predictions. My favourite example of this happened at the tail end of the Houllier season when the collective soothsayers of this forum predicted, with know-all certainty, zero points from Villa's final two games v Liverpool and Arsenal...*sigh*... Some are better at predicting than others. I think you will find my January made prediction of 'we will be lucky to win a game' for the fixtures in February were pretty spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I guess it really is one game at a time for us at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shaggy Posted April 9, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) No renewal of his contract and sacked after the last game of the season to allow a new manager to come in and sort out the mess. Edited April 9, 2014 by shaggy 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 No renewal of his contract and sacked after the last game of the season to allow a new manager to come in and sort out the mess. Sounds like a plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PieFacE Posted April 9, 2014 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) He's going nowhere unless Randy sells up. Which is incredibly unlikely. You may as well post about how you're gunna spend your lottery winnings, because it's all just wishful thinking. Edited April 9, 2014 by PieFacE 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 No renewal of his contract and sacked after the last game of the season to allow a new manager to come in and sort out the mess. Shaggy, that's enough sense for one night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 He's going no where unless Randy sells up. Which is incredibly unlikely. You may as well post about how you're gunna spend your lottery winnings, because it's all just wishful thinking. I've won the lottery!!! Happy days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 He probably knows he's have been sacked by now if we didnt have an owner who is extremely reluctant to make anymore payouts, we all can probably guess he'll start next season in the dugout at VP but had we not been in the situation were in financially or it was any of the other 20 clubs he'd have been long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Our last 6 games Crystal Palace - Away - 1 Southampton - Home - 0 Swansea - Away - 1 Hull City - Home - 1 Man City - Away - 0 Spurs - Away - 0 These are my predictions (and I think I am being generous) so if we finish the season on 37 points I think that will be enough to stay up but to be honest it will be worse than last season and that is unacceptable. Maybe a point at home to Hull but can't see us getting anything out of Palace and Swansea. Palace are organised and determined and Swansea will probably play us off the park. Let's just give Lambert another 3 years to give us more of the same tripe we've seen for the last 2 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onmeedson Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Think the next manager should be English speaking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 No renewal of his contract and sacked after the last game of the season to allow a new manager to come in and sort out the mess. Have you been eating Scooby's snacks again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Right. Because everyone who wants Lambert replaced is that over the top and black and white whilst those who don't are the definition of balance. It seems fairly clear there's a lack of balance from all directions. To me, at least, it seems blatantly clear that the record at home is indefensible. It's abysmal. For that alone, anyone calling for the manager is on firm ground. The you can add in the oft cited record thrashing, the Bradford debacle and the rest and it's an entirely valid view to hold. Equally, there are some good points in defence of keeping the manager in his job. And these are not all based on blind faith or head in the clouds optimism or delusion. It seems clear that a club that keeps changing it's manager is setting itself up for continued expense and disruption. If we accept there;'s a plan in place to have the club sustainable, then whether we like it or not, we also have to accept that getting to that position from one where it clearly isn't and wan't is going to be a bumpy ride at best, and one in which performances and results fluctuate wildly. You cannot go from a squad of mostly end of their career, low resale value players to one of younger. lower cost inexperienced players without that ride. It never happens anywhere. The managers involved in that transition are going to get the stick that comes as a result of that. It's a heck of a job. How do you rebuild a squad, on a budget, while having few if any players of any value to sell to use the money to get better and cheaper players? You can't. Not consistently. Results will be poor to average while that transition goes on. As human beings, no-one is perfect. Mistakes will be made. Buys will fail, players you depend on will get injured, or lose form, or get suspended, or take longer to settle than you hope. Some will look bargains. Others won't. You'll look smart if you have 2 players bought to cover a position and one gets injured. You'll look unlucky if they both get injured, and you'll look daft if you don't buy cover or replacements where the squad is already weak. That's your lot. And for only some of that if much can anyone really with full justice say "you deserve the sack". No body with Villa connections likes where we are. Not a soul. Personally, the threat of further upheaval and disruption just about tips the balance towards keeping him on to at least next Chrtistmas time to see if a pattern of play, some experience and an significant improvement inhome results and performances can emerge. It's a fairly close thing, though. The board need to back him properly in the summer, injured players need to get fit and the whole place needs a lift. Sorry but this just completely ignores the fact that if somebody isn't very good at his job, then sticking with him come what may is never going to work. Two and a half years of Paul Lambert's "football"? No ta. "see if a pattern of play, some experience and an significant improvement inhome results and performances can emerge" So, he only has to right everything he's doing wrong now then? Can't see that happening in 6 months to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Think the next manager should be English speaking. Ehhhh ha , sssnnsn . Uujdbd. Aaa hash , Gabby , wwwwjh ,, jjfbf. , canna fauuuutm Go again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Let's not give Lambert the chance to break even more records. Losing to Fulham for the first time at home in the league since 1973 was the latest beauty to add to his collection of failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 One thing that I've learned over the past few years is that it is impossible to predict Villa results yet year in year out we get the same tedious doom and gloom predictions. My favourite example of this happened at the tail end of the Houllier season when the collective soothsayers of this forum predicted, with know-all certainty, zero points from Villa's final two games v Liverpool and Arsenal...*sigh*... Someone made a prediction about football and was wrong? Well that's shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Right. Because everyone who wants Lambert replaced is that over the top and black and white whilst those who don't are the definition of balance. It seems fairly clear there's a lack of balance from all directions. To me, at least, it seems blatantly clear that the record at home is indefensible. It's abysmal. For that alone, anyone calling for the manager is on firm ground. The you can add in the oft cited record thrashing, the Bradford debacle and the rest and it's an entirely valid view to hold. Equally, there are some good points in defence of keeping the manager in his job. And these are not all based on blind faith or head in the clouds optimism or delusion. It seems clear that a club that keeps changing it's manager is setting itself up for continued expense and disruption. If we accept there;'s a plan in place to have the club sustainable, then whether we like it or not, we also have to accept that getting to that position from one where it clearly isn't and wan't is going to be a bumpy ride at best, and one in which performances and results fluctuate wildly. You cannot go from a squad of mostly end of their career, low resale value players to one of younger. lower cost inexperienced players without that ride. It never happens anywhere. The managers involved in that transition are going to get the stick that comes as a result of that. It's a heck of a job. How do you rebuild a squad, on a budget, while having few if any players of any value to sell to use the money to get better and cheaper players? You can't. Not consistently. Results will be poor to average while that transition goes on. As human beings, no-one is perfect. Mistakes will be made. Buys will fail, players you depend on will get injured, or lose form, or get suspended, or take longer to settle than you hope. Some will look bargains. Others won't. You'll look smart if you have 2 players bought to cover a position and one gets injured. You'll look unlucky if they both get injured, and you'll look daft if you don't buy cover or replacements where the squad is already weak. That's your lot. And for only some of that if much can anyone really with full justice say "you deserve the sack". No body with Villa connections likes where we are. Not a soul. Personally, the threat of further upheaval and disruption just about tips the balance towards keeping him on to at least next Chrtistmas time to see if a pattern of play, some experience and an significant improvement inhome results and performances can emerge. It's a fairly close thing, though. The board need to back him properly in the summer, injured players need to get fit and the whole place needs a lift. Sorry but this just completely ignores the fact that if somebody isn't very good at his job, then sticking with him come what may is never going to work. Two and a half years of Paul Lambert's "football"? No ta. "see if a pattern of play, some experience and an significant improvement inhome results and performances can emerge" So, he only has to right everything he's doing wrong now then? Can't see that happening in 6 months to be honest. I really don't see what it will achieve giving a manager, who went backwards after a first abysmal season, more time. I think he'll completly lose the home support by the end of the season and they won't have much patience with him next year. I think we could potentially finish with less than 40 points. If he keeps his job after that and everything else will just show how little the owner thinks of us now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Harry Posted April 9, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2014 The key to the Lambert conundrum lies with the owner. In his early years of ownership he was happy to splash the cash naively with seemingly little control over the transfer fees and even less on salaries. For that we have to blame MON and Lerner in equal measure. After the brave 'experiments' of Houllier and McLeish we end up getting on paper a very good manager. Lerner clearly wanted a manager who would work to very tight financial constraints, get rid of the expensive legacy players and promote our bursting with promise academy players. Lambert took the job knowing these ground rules and to be fair has abided by them. Personally I don't have a problem with the vast majority of players we have signed and it seems he has unearthed some real quality. Every manager makes duff signings, even some of SAF's were real howlers. He has or will shift the high earners and that in the longer term is good for the club. The youth / academy products have been more tricky as to be brutal there are a number who are not nearly as good as their propaganda, but again not Lambert's fault. I was very pleased when we bagged Lambert as our manager as my thinking was along the lines of a good hungry young manager who could build a legacy at the club. If I remember VT correctly there was some debate about how long we could keep a manager of his pedigree before he moved to the inevitable 'bigger' club. Having said all that the promise he had, the potential if you like, has simply not been delivered upon. I was and up until fairly recently, around Christmas time, fully behind Lambert but the trouble its very difficult to ignore the evidence before me. Without going through the rap sheet yet again what I see is a manager who is not capable of getting his side to do the basics properly, has little tactical awareness and is persistently outsmarted by opposition managers. Add to that rigid formations, baffling team selections and bizarre substitutions. It all just smacks to me of someone completely out of his depth as Premier League manager. The owner wants the club run on a shoe string whilst staying in the Premiership. As he has a manager who is meeting the objectives he has set he is highly unlikely to sack him. I am strongly of the opinion that Lerner wants to sell and the club is being touted around on the quiet. No doubt he has a price he wants which is underpinned by Premiership football which makes it all the more odd that the owner is happy to indulge in such brinkmanship each season. He will not want to pay to get rid of Lambert and his team and probably takes the view that a new owner can sort that problem out. So Lambert is very safe in the short term maybe even if we were relegated. I think things would have to get very very bad before he would be sacked but that particular position flies in the face of the fans. We play generally unattractive football with little commitment or endeavour. Just occasionally it all comes together and we pull off a superb victory but more often that not its abject defeat or a bore draw. Judging by the fans around me at VP we are all sick of it, OK not all of us are going to give up our season tickets but based on Block M5 every year a few more give up which is testament to what we have to endure on the pitch. We are literally bleeding to death. What makes me angry is the feeling that the club just takes you for granted. The mug punters will turn up anyway however poor the football but the attendances do not lie and they are only going one way. A long discourse (but it is my 2,000th post!) I know but my real point is what happens on the pitch is the responsibility of the manager and the simple inescapable fact is that Lambert is not a very good manager. Pretty much whatever statistic you use proves that point and I see little benefit in persisting with him. I just don't think he is capable of getting the best out of his players. Truthfully I think he is a poor mans MON. Personally I would get rid at the end of the season. I know that won't happen and we will stagger on until either Lerner sells the club or results become so bad his hand is forced. I just hope its the former. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ermie123 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 DOUR LITTLE MAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 DOUR LITTLE MAN If you love so him much, why don't you marry him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaGoMarching Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Let's not give Lambert the chance to break even more records. Losing to Fulham for the first time at home in the league since 1973 was the latest beauty to add to his collection of failure. I completely agree. From day one I'll happily admit I wanted Lambert. I thought he could rebuild us but time has proven that he's just not upto the task and with failing to do so he's damaged his own reputation. I think the only remaining positive outcome would be for us to go our separate ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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