jacketspuds Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 If changing manager can get a heap of shit with the worst home record in history a win against the team that were top of the table (you know who I mean) then it can work for Villa too This. Despite the fact that I really wanted Lambert to succeed I just feel that a change of manager could at least give the club a much needed lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Absolutely right Mantis - we created quite a few opportunities against Spurs because the way we were set out was fine, it was our finishing that let us down. Let's not forget the same could be said for spurs. Adebayor missed a one on one and soldado missed pretty much an open goal. It was a better performance but spurs were poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 He has made mistakes, all managers do but how can even the most bitter Lambert Out campaigners not even recognise there are massive mitigating circumstances. Everyone knows there are issues that have made this tough for Lambert. You think they excuse the poor performance and no progress and some of us think they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VillakevBromsgrove Posted November 5, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2014 Whilst I can understand and appreciate the circumstances he works in there are just too many negatives for me, The lack of movement, the lack of width, the lack of concentration, the glazed caught in the headlight look of a few of our players the loss of possession, the poor passing, the shit throw ins and corners. These things even with poor players are things that can be improved on the training ground and should have been by now. I can take a loss it happens but it is the manner of the loss that gets to me, how many of us knew we would lose after CB got sent off?. We score a goal the sit back, this happens consistently as we hope to hit teams on the break, we have no killer instinct, no drive, no leaders, no plan B. As much as I like PL as a person theres just no excuse for our performances and the team mentality. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw_nuff Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 And this is exactly why stats can be misleading. There's a lot more to say. It annoys me that some can't seem to recognise a decent performance right in front of their eyes because of a couple of stats. I mean, our stats against QPR were a lot better (more possession, more shots etc) yet the performance there was dire. In fact, it isn't even the opinion of the performance that bothers me. If you don't think it was a good performance then fair enough but saying it wasn't a good performance because we had one shot on target is just ridiculous. I Don't always agree with Mantis, but I will defend him here. The one shot stat against Spurs was not the same as the one shot game against Chelsea. We did nothing in that game and that one shot was basically a tame long range from Hutton. I don't think you can really compare the two. If we're going to criticise Lambert we have to be fair otherwise it loses effect. It doesn't really change anything for me as the two and a half year stint is well below par. But was it our worst performance? No, not by along way. I've seen us play worse under Lambert and win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted November 5, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2014 Across our last 38 games: 37 points 35 goals scored 65 goals conceded -30 goal difference And people say give him more time! Cut Usian Bolt's big toes off and his 100m times would come down spectacularly, and be consistently bad for as long as you want to measure them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 5, 2014 Moderator Share Posted November 5, 2014 Across our last 38 games: 37 points 35 goals scored 65 goals conceded -30 goal difference And people say give him more time! Cut Usian Bolt's big toes off and his 100m times would come down spectacularly, and be consistently bad for as long as you want to measure them. He would be even quicker with no big toes? Blimey there really is no stopping him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post drat01 Posted November 5, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2014 So many things to comment on - no doubt some will be upset but hey ho Firstly the "Lambert out" campaign / Lambert out group ? - is this really necessary (or allowed)? - there is no campaign, there is no group (or if there is Oi where is my bloody invite !!). A lot, I would say with a fair degree of confidence, of Villa fans are mightily razzed off with the club and Lambert in particular. As many have stated, often to be greeted with some very weak counter arguments from the other "campaign / group", Lambert over his 2.5 years in charge has been woeful. The facts are there to show that he has been in charge over a whole series of poor performance records - think of it as a K-Tel does the Green Goddess box set - something that really cannot be ignored. We then see the excuses trotted out, surely we cannot have many more. A quick trawl through threads of the past few seasons, we have seen "when Okore is back the defence will be great", "when Vlaar is back the defence will be great", "When Benteke is back the attack will be great", "When XYZ is back, the **** will be great" etc etc. We have also seen, illness, the make up of the fixtures, Sky moving games around, the press misreporting things etc etc. Of course Lerner's running of the club is baffling to put it politely, but Lambert is in charge of the club playing side, not just the first X1, and the evidence is pretty clear to see that his influence is very counter productive and the footballing style is just not working. I got a dog's abuse from certain quarters regarding this at the start of the season when I pointed it out following the woeful style of play put out by a Villa team at Chesterfield, it gives me no pleasure whatsoever to be proven right, but the issue is still there in the football philosophy of Lambert across all areas of the club. Lastly the whole "is there anyone better out there" argument is so flawed it really has no place in a sensible argument / debate. There are many managers, some have been named and there will be others that no one is really considering, that could give Villa the necessary change of playing style to maximise the (limited) skills of the players. Lambert is failing here, and when you fail sometimes you have to walk away / change or be forced to do both. I appreciate not all will agree, not a flipping problem at all, but at least lets be sensible in the discussion and start looking at what is happening at Villa rather than through some rose coloured spectacles but through harsh reality glass that is showing quite an ugly picture at the moment 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Top post, you Northern oik 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 5, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) I don't think the argument of there being nobody better out there WHO WOULD COME TO VILLA is out of place. I don't agree with it. But I don't think it's so unfathomable for somebody to say they can't think of anyone we could attract who would do any better who would come to Villa in it's current state. Stating is at fact isn't right, but I doubt anybody is doing that in a literal sense. Edited November 5, 2014 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) I have to say I agree with a lot of that Drat, Lambert may have been woeful in some peoples eyes, but he has given it a 'right good go' and he has had his hands tied behind his back to an extent, but for me I think he has taken this club as far as it can go. A shame and I thank PL for trying but it is just not going to happen. I wish the man the very best of luck and I know he will do well in his next club but for me I think a new manager and a time for a fresh change is now needed for the good of Aston Villa football club and not just a personal hate tirade against the manager. I had mentioned in previous threads I would be willing to give PL the next 2 games to try and turn this around but frankly I now cannot even see that being enough anymore. Defeat against West Ham will send this place into meltdown, A win against West Ham and I would like to see PL leave on a high and bow out. Edited November 5, 2014 by AvfcRigo82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Simple question - if he is that good how come no other team have tried to hire him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Thought I came into the Paul Lambert thread or have I hit the English grammar thread instead? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Out of all the Players Lambert signed at the start of last season, only one of those players has kicked a ball for us this season, the rest have all been buys that have not worked out and half of them are no longer here now, but again the manager can only use a budget that is handed to him, and with so many positions to strengthen there is only so far he can go in stretching the funds. Nothing will change and while the club is still in Limbo and no serious money being granted to improve the team in transfer windows then there is only so far Lambo can take us. I think the change of a new Manager (and my choice would be Tony Pulis) to come in and roll out a fresh approach to get these players firing on all cylinders again using different ideas and methods. What is there to lose? I don't fancy where this club is going and I think PL has taken us as far as we can go under him. We have seen what happened the last 2 seasons. I don't think it will be 3rd time lucky if PL stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingsombrero Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 LLLLLLambert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted November 5, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2014 Across our last 38 games: 37 points 35 goals scored 65 goals conceded -30 goal difference And people say give him more time! Cut Usian Bolt's big toes off and his 100m times would come down spectacularly, and be consistently bad for as long as you want to measure them. He would be even quicker with no big toes? Blimey there really is no stopping him. ahah, yeah, I mean no, I mean it's early, leave me alone... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I think Lambert is an ok manager. About Championship standard. With a shite team. With no money. I think we could replace him with an ok manager. About Championship standard. But we'd still have a shite team. With no money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Any idea who this championship standard type manager that replaces Lambert might be yillan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT123 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Eddie Howe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Not being relegated in his first two seasons, with a shit team and a shit budget (both transfers and more so wages) is good enough for me. We will always be fighting relegation under the current regime and id rather stick with someone who proved he can keep us in the league two seasons running. You 'Lambert out brigade' who want the club to be great again have to look at the way the club is run. Yes we may need a better manager to make that push, but with the current structures, id rather keep a manager who has a proven track record of keeping us in the league than someone who doesnt. Felix Magath anyone? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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