omariqy Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 So let me get this right we are about to sign Senderos and a guy called Okora? Wow must've missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I think, crucially... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I think, crucially... King Philippe of Villashire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I imagine him as more of a Viscount than a King, personally. A mint one, as well. Not one of those orange ones. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Sun was shining this morning and I finished my week of on call with work. Fantastic, joyous end to the week on offer then. Heard we signed Senderos - went straight on to AVFC and renewed my season ticket. And then I went straight onto the Club website and bought full home kit... with Senderos '27' and the Premier League patches too. Can't wait for August now. lies And you did all this based on what evidence? look for the final word in font size 2 at the bottom of his post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I imagine him as more of a Viscount than a King, personally. A mint one, as well. Not one of those orange ones. Archduke is probably a fairer assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I imagine him as more of a Viscount than a King, personally. A mint one, as well. Not one of those orange ones. Is that you Barry ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdomlahor Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 And they were relegated after he left - maybe they should have kept him?! And yet, in the midst of the relegation battle that eventually sank them, they still didn't feel like he'd be of any use. Just like they got rid of Berbatov and spent 15million on an unproven striker. Really wouldn't use Fulhams management as an example. Berbatov is a hopeless example. He had told the club he didn't want to play for them at that point, and was basically on a go-slow. Senderos was trying, he just wasn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 And they were relegated after he left - maybe they should have kept him?! And yet, in the midst of the relegation battle that eventually sank them, they still didn't feel like he'd be of any use. Just like they got rid of Berbatov and spent 15million on an unproven striker. Really wouldn't use Fulhams management as an example. Berbatov is a hopeless example. He had told the club he didn't want to play for them at that point, and was basically on a go-slow. Senderos was trying, he just wasn't good enough. Like pointed out in a post above, their defence got worse without him. Keeping a go slow Berbatov who killed us in December lets not forget, would have been a better bet that the signing they made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I'm almost 100% confident that most people haven't watched much of Philippe Senderos. This goes for most players in the Premier League that are just in that "meh" sort of field - outside of Villa, most people won't have watched much of Ciaran Clark, Karim El Ahmadi, Leandro Bacuna etc. etc. It's just the way it goes. The way it goes for you maybe. The status of a player doesn't actually affect how much you see of them though. For example, if someone has watched Benteke enough to make a judgement of him, then by the same process they must have watched his teammates playing also. All teams in the league make the TV games every few weeks so there are plenty of opportunities to watch them all. But if stats are anything to go by... ...before Senderos left Fulham, they had conceeded 50 goals in the league at a rate of 2.17 per game, including a 6-0 loss against Hull (their heaviest defeat of the season) in which Senderos didn't play. After he left, they conceeded 35 goals in the league at a rate of 2.33 per game. Before Senderos joined, Valencia had conceeded 35 goals in the league at a rate of 1.52 per game. After he joined, they conceeded 18 goals at a rate of 1.2 per game. Just a coincidence? Obviously he missed games at both clubs, I can't be bothered to go into that level of detail though Well perhaps you should've gone into a bit more detail regarding Valencia and acquainted yourself with their season as you then would've known that they had a poor first-half of the season which resulted in Dukic being sacked in December. He was replaced by Pizzi and they improved henceforth. Senderos himself only started 7 league games, so I'm not sure why you think you can get away with crediting him with such improvement. Not to mention that during his 7 starts they conceded 9 goals (1.23/game) whereas the during the games he didn't start while there, they conceded 11 in 10 games (1.1/game). Here's one for you though, after his arrival they lost only 5 games and his started in 4 (out of 7 starts) of those losses. Regarding Fulham, I was more trying to make the point that he was involved with the worst defence in the division last season. Not that the methodology of your stats is correct as you should divide it between games with him actually playing and games without him playing. In which case they conceded 2.17/game with him and 2.27/game without him. So basically they were the worst defence in the division when he played and still the worst defence in the division when he didn't, albeit even slight worser. Still not sure how that reflects well on him when they were still leaking over 2 goals a game with him in the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Signed on a two year deal. Edited June 5, 2014 by GENTLEMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Paul Lambert has resolved a problem. Villa defence leaks goals 2013-2014 - Lamberts fault Villa defence leak goals 2014-2015 - Senderos fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HanoiVillan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 And they were relegated after he left - maybe they should have kept him?! And yet, in the midst of the relegation battle that eventually sank them, they still didn't feel like he'd be of any use. Just like they got rid of Berbatov and spent 15million on an unproven striker. Really wouldn't use Fulhams management as an example. Berbatov is a hopeless example. He had told the club he didn't want to play for them at that point, and was basically on a go-slow. Senderos was trying, he just wasn't good enough. Like pointed out in a post above, their defence got worse without him. Keeping a go slow Berbatov who killed us in December lets not forget, would have been a better bet that the signing they made. Actually, it made almost no difference. They conceded 2.17 goals per game when he played, and 2.27 when he didn't. That second statistic would be lower than the first if it weren't for the Hull game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Described Baker and Clark as capable defenders, Philipe out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Obviously, I'm not a fan of the signing, but now he's here, he's a Villa player, so I hope he goes on to achieve and to prove me wrong. Good luck Philippe, you'll need it! UTV. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 And they were relegated after he left - maybe they should have kept him?! And yet, in the midst of the relegation battle that eventually sank them, they still didn't feel like he'd be of any use. Just like they got rid of Berbatov and spent 15million on an unproven striker. Really wouldn't use Fulhams management as an example. Berbatov is a hopeless example. He had told the club he didn't want to play for them at that point, and was basically on a go-slow. Senderos was trying, he just wasn't good enough. Like pointed out in a post above, their defence got worse without him. Keeping a go slow Berbatov who killed us in December lets not forget, would have been a better bet that the signing they made. Actually, it made almost no difference. They conceded 2.17 goals per game when he played, and 2.27 when he didn't. That second statistic would be lower than the first if it weren't for the Hull game. He's joined so these stats are meaningless now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 He's from switzerland right ? - where loads of rich people live .....more to this signing than meets the eye me thinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Very surprised it's a 2 year deal. I'd understand if it was 1 with an optional 1 don't really see why we have signed him on a 2 year deal, it's not like his history suggests he wouldn't look into a shorter term option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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