theunderstudy Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 So causing an unnecessary disturbance over increased pay for uni (which is not mandatory) is standing up for your rights? Well I'll be damned. There was me thinking the government were voted in by these very same people. My tax is far higher than I like, in fact my car insurance is extortion, maybe I should take to the streets in protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 So causing an unnecessary disturbance over increased pay for uni (which is not mandatory) is standing up for your rights? Well I'll be damned. There was me thinking the government were voted in by these very same people. My tax is far higher than I like, in fact my car insurance is extortion, maybe I should take to the streets in protest.what a ludicrous thing to say, and your comparison is frankly mind boggling. Increased Pay? Are you sure you know what you are arguing? I am sure you mean increased costs, and if you happen to actually read a bit more about the fees and costs, plus the other changes that are being imposed then you may look at things slightly different. To say that this is an "unnecessary disturbance" is interesting. So no form of protest should happen is what you are saying. Protest by its definition is objection, how exactly do you suggest that people should show this objection, by a poll on VT? Lastly you say that this Gvmt was voted in by "these people", a laughable statement. Maybe the words "Pledge" and "commitment" are not ones you are familiar with in respect to this Gvmt. A certain bunch of this Gvmt gave both that these changes would not happen, so maybe that goes a small way in explaining why people feel they have a genuine anger and a right to protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparey16 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 but rising uni fees to 9grand a year just for the studies is out of order completely. Im in first year of study and my fees are 3290 for the year, not including living costs, if fees rise to 9grand then its just going to stop lots of young people from the poorer/less well off backgrounds in having the opportunity, and only open it up to the already rich and wealthy. Sure you can get a student loan, but who wants to be 35k+ in debt after university, im currently going to be in 9grand (including living costs) of debt after this one year, but mine is only a 3 year course. In my honest opinion, it will be a form of discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 And how often do governments keep their pledges? The fact of the matter is, the Tories are in power and if they decide to do something generally it goes through. I don't sympathise with the government, but if everything out of order done deserves a protest then its stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Out of Interest when Labour introduced the tuition fees and top ups and what not .. were the students so keen to take to the streets and protest , or does it in fact show the true motivation behind the current protests , i.e it's not the What but the Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Out of Interest when Labour introduced the tuition fees and top ups and what not .. were the students so keen to take to the streets and protest , or does it in fact show the true motivation behind the current protests , i.e it's not the What but the Who Do you remember the pledges the Lib Dems signed up to when then courted the student vote? That is why students are angry, not because of party allegiances as you imply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 24, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2010 What pisses me off? Coming into this thread and seeing it full of political bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 24, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2010 The Ashes being almost here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 absolutely Lax - the Gvmt supporters are keen to deflect any anger away to the previous Gvmt. The facts are simple though the changes that this Gvmt have brought in are excessive, vindictive and based on ideology rather than anything else. The fact that the LibDem's were making the tuition fees one of their key election promises have got a lot of people very angry when they have now tasted power. Also Tony conveniently misses the point about how the introduction of tuition fees was dependent on Tory support in the HoC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Out of Interest when Labour introduced the tuition fees and top ups and what not .. were the students so keen to take to the streets and protest , or does it in fact show the true motivation behind the current protests , i.e it's not the What but the Who Do you remember the pledges the Lib Dems signed up to when then courted the student vote? That is why students are angry, not because of party allegiances as you imply. I'm not so sure .... This is really disappointing. I'm not happy that my MP said he would vote against the proposals then changed his mind. "This has been a massive U-turn by MPs. This is going to make it even worse. The government has betrayed its promises "This discriminates against the middle classes. all said by students in 2004 ... where was the rioting then though ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 So its the Lib Dems who the students are angry at? Weren't they attacking a Tory HQ building though the other week? :? So going on a protest and causing criminal damage is okay now, because its okay to go on a march whenever the government **** you over? As I said, I'm unhappy at the price of my car insurance, but what I'm doing to counter it is working slightly longer hours to get a bit extra money, not throwing my toys out of the pram and marching on my insurance company with a baying mob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Out of Interest when Labour introduced the tuition fees and top ups and what not .. were the students so keen to take to the streets and protest , or does it in fact show the true motivation behind the current protests , i.e it's not the What but the Who Do you remember the pledges the Lib Dems signed up to when then courted the student vote? That is why students are angry, not because of party allegiances as you imply. That and the Tories' 'pledge' on EMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Cricket. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 24, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2010 Cricket. Fixed.Well yes, exactly. :yawn: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 So you believe every pledge spouted by a politician? You take every word as gospel? I certainly don't, in fact I tend to not believe anything politicians say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 24, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2010 Could someone PM me when the bollitics has found its way into another thread? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 What pisses me off? Coming into this thread and seeing it full of political bullshit. :!: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 24, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2010 So you believe every pledge spouted by a politician? You take every word as gospel? I certainly don't, in fact I tend to not believe anything politicians say.What would you think if a politician said: "Everything I say is a lie"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 I'd think he's lying, then we'd be back to square one. It would be nicer if they werent power hungry words removed and told some unbiased truths now and then. But if that were the case they wouldn't be politicians and again we'd be back to square one. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Paradox, so no answer, as if he's lying he is telling the truth but if tells the truth he's not lying. Wouldn't trust him either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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