OutByEaster? Posted June 14, 2013 Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2013 I see what you're saying, but I suspect we only get one go at this - barring a miracle, I think we're talking about how much it costs to keep him happy in his last year here. But it's not just about him. If we bow to the pressure, pay him what he wants, and then he leaves next summer, we've set the precedent that we WILL pay stupid money to players who have a good season. Wiemann hits 15-20 goals and he wants 100k. A couple of our mids have great season, they want 80k a pop and so on. It's bigger than Benteke tbh and unless we've got the resources to pay 3-4 players silly money down the line (which would then become 5-10 players, since everyone wants a cut of it, and we're back in MON-land), we can't pay it to Benteke We don't have to give him anything. That's not what I'm arguing, just that his value on the open market would be a £100k a week wage - it seems we want the fee that goes with that but aren't prepared to accept that if we really wanted to keep him long term that's the wage we'd be looking at. I hope we don't offer him that sort of money this summer, for all the reasons you're stating, but we have to know that he and his agent will be very aware that he's very capable of earning it. It's going to get tricky and it's important we keep it all done the right way I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 We need to stick to our guns on this one whether it upsets the big mans agent or not. I bloody despise the very nature of a football agent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I agree. Come on man, either 50k a week or he can bugger off somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I see what you're saying, but I suspect we only get one go at this - barring a miracle, I think we're talking about how much it costs to keep him happy in his last year here. But it's not just about him. If we bow to the pressure, pay him what he wants, and then he leaves next summer, we've set the precedent that we WILL pay stupid money to players who have a good season. Wiemann hits 15-20 goals and he wants 100k. A couple of our mids have great season, they want 80k a pop and so on. It's bigger than Benteke tbh and unless we've got the resources to pay 3-4 players silly money down the line (which would then become 5-10 players, since everyone wants a cut of it, and we're back in MON-land), we can't pay it to Benteke Yep agreed with this...OBE you may be right about us having one crack of the whip but hopefully he is just the start of the good players coming back to our once prestigious club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) I agree. Come on man, either 50k a week or he can bugger off somewhere else. Absolutely not. Thats playing into the s agents hands. 50k a week or no wage increase and he stays regardless. Simple as that Edited June 14, 2013 by P3te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) I agree 50k should be the max if he doesn't sign he can see out the remainder of his contract at what he's currently earning This means either 3 years at 15k a week or 4 years at 50k a week I know what i'd choose... Any player with a shred of decency would want to repay the club that gave them a chance **** the agent and his money grabbing attitude i know it's his job to get the best possible deal for his client, but holding the club which gave your player a chance when nobody else would to ransom is completely out of order If other clubs want him they should put their money where their mouth is and pay the rediculous amount of 40m + were supposedly demanding because We have a billionaire chairman who does not need the money and does not need to sell! Edited June 14, 2013 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I agree 50k should be the max if he doesn't sign he can see out the remainder of his contract at what he's currently earning This means either 3 years at 15k a week or 4 years at 50k a week I know what i'd choose... Any player with a shred of decency would want to repay the club that gave them a chance **** the agent and his money grabbing attitude i know it's his job to get the best possible deal for his client, but holding the club which gave your player a chance when nobody else would to ransom is completely out of order If other clubs want him they should put their money where their mouth is and pay the rediculous amount of 40m + were supposedly demanding because We have a billionaire chairman who does not need the money and does not need to sell! Agree with everything but the last line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddy Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 How can't you agree with the last line? If this were a year ago and we were talking about the man who owns both a Premiership club AND an NFL franchise, that's one thing. But he just sold Cleveland Browns for upwards for $1 billion dollars within the last year. After that, he's lost the benefit of a doubt with me as far as finances are concerned. Especially with the cutting of the wage bill... you can't have your cake and eat it, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 but what use is having cake if you cant eat it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 in addition, it does seem that its tekkers agent causing all this sh it to line his own pockets hes seen that he can get more money by us selling him instead of tekkers sitting on his contract another couple of seasons agents are the cancer of football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted June 14, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2013 Don't think he should even be on parity with Gabby - our all time top PL goal scorer and loyal servant. Double the rumoured £20k to £40k. However I put his valuation at something like £40m, but that's a reflection on his potential and our strong position (3 years left). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Probably been mentioned before, but what would happen to CB's world cup chances if Villa stuck to their guns and put him in the reserves if he refused to play or sign an improved contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdomlahor Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 If it's true that he's holding out for £110k p/w, then that's genuinely really p****d me off. It f*****g ridiculous that after one season he thinks he can ask for that stupid amount of money from us when he knows full well about our financial constraints and what we're trying to do. I can't believe he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbonne10 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 As previous posters have mentioned we hold all the cards. If he won't take doubling his wages then he is an idiot. His agent has been dodgy ever since he started talking to the media through the season. He is not bigger than the club and we wont be held to ransom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted June 14, 2013 Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2013 in addition, it does seem that its tekkers agent causing all this sh it to line his own pockets hes seen that he can get more money by us selling him instead of tekkers sitting on his contract another couple of seasons agents are the cancer of football How do you know it's not the player? For all we know Benteke could be doing everything in his power to instruct his agent to move him. For all we know, the club could be doing everything in their power to find a buyer. Agents are arseholes, no doubt, but don't underestimate everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) Well if the Agent tries to drive us into a corner we merely have to mention to Benteke that the world cup is round the corner and he's got 3 years left on his contract Were offering him a good wage rise and the chance at regular football building a side around him that will play to his strengths Like someone said we hold all the cards If he is not here next season i will be shocked it will be such a stupid move on his behalf if he tries to jump ship this early in his development Edited June 14, 2013 by AshVilla 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Basically though, like others who didn't/don't want to play for AVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AValon Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I don't think standing in his way would have much point in the long run. If someone was willing to throw stupid money at us then we'd be daft not to snatch their hands off.I think he has enough about him though to see another 12mths here could really cement his reputation and value. And then of course there is the small distraction of the World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Ok so he is worth 40 million but his wages should not be more than 50K a week? I can see where many of you are coming from but it's not championship manager. It's a real person we're talking about so you can't just isolate him for wanting to leave and earn maybe double we can offer and win things. If a decent offer comes in I can see a deal being done. Maybe 30 million or so. But I think for his World Cup chances he should give us another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted June 14, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2013 I see what you're saying, but I suspect we only get one go at this - barring a miracle, I think we're talking about how much it costs to keep him happy in his last year here. But it's not just about him. If we bow to the pressure, pay him what he wants, and then he leaves next summer, we've set the precedent that we WILL pay stupid money to players who have a good season. Wiemann hits 15-20 goals and he wants 100k. A couple of our mids have great season, they want 80k a pop and so on. It's bigger than Benteke tbh and unless we've got the resources to pay 3-4 players silly money down the line (which would then become 5-10 players, since everyone wants a cut of it, and we're back in MON-land), we can't pay it to Benteke We don't have to give him anything. That's not what I'm arguing, just that his value on the open market would be a £100k a week wage - it seems we want the fee that goes with that but aren't prepared to accept that if we really wanted to keep him long term that's the wage we'd be looking at. I hope we don't offer him that sort of money this summer, for all the reasons you're stating, but we have to know that he and his agent will be very aware that he's very capable of earning it. It's going to get tricky and it's important we keep it all done the right way I think. Scott But what is the "right way"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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