BOF Posted October 21, 2013 Moderator Share Posted October 21, 2013 I was shocked that they lost so heavily at the weekend. Usually a new manager brings belief but it shows you how difficult it can be to motivate a team with an air of negativity. The difference here is that the old manager went one step further than just simply not getting results. He actually went and sold some of the quality that was already floundering under his control. Mignolet probably would've gone anyway and Westwood doesn't look too bad. But Sessegnon and McClean were a big part of that side last season. Poyet can't get to January soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 agree on most points but not McClean, that guy was poor last season for Sunderland, problem is Fletcher is only player capable of a goal for them people might laugh but they could do worse than bring Titus Bramble back to shore up defence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 21, 2013 Moderator Share Posted October 21, 2013 agree on most points but not McClean, that guy was poor last season for SunderlandThat's not the point I'm making though. If you accept that a new manager can bring motivation and if you accept that McClean; certainly when he broke through; has been quality for Sunderland in the past, it would have been preferable for the new manager to have him at his disposal. At the very least he would have been a player putting pressure on whoever got the left-sided berth. At best, the new manager could've been a breath of fresh air to a player who had struggled recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 If you were Ellis short, and come January should Sunderland continue to be so bad, they could be 10 points from safety, would you throw even more cash at trying to stay up like qpr or just accept it and start rebuilding for the next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 21, 2013 Moderator Share Posted October 21, 2013 If you were Ellis short, and come January should Sunderland continue to be so bad, they could be 10 points from safety, would you throw even more cash at trying to stay up like qpr or just accept it and start rebuilding for the next season?If you're 10pts from safety it's a tough call. Obviously you'd invest cautiously. You don't want to give up and go down like a stone. There are ways to get relegated too. A failure of epic proportions can have shockwaves that continue on into the following season whereas a team that only barely goes down has a better chance of keeping better players in the belief that they'll bounce straight back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 They actually needed experience to get them out of trouble. Can honestly see Newcastle turning them over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 but thing is unlike Villa last season this is not a young team. O'Shea, Larsson, Gardner, Wes Brown, Adam Johnson have all been around the block even Fletcher is in the Premier League 4 seasons now. they are a team just lacking talent and in fairness to Ellis Short and the consortium before that is they have always backed their manager and each one just wastes their cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 21, 2013 Moderator Share Posted October 21, 2013 Similar to Gibson at Middlesbrough. Best of intentions and naïve to the point of relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 but thing is unlike Villa last season this is not a young team. O'Shea, Larsson, Gardner, Wes Brown, Adam Johnson have all been around the block even Fletcher is in the Premier League 4 seasons now. they are a team just lacking talent and in fairness to Ellis Short and the consortium before that is they have always backed their manager and each one just wastes their cash Sorry I mean't an experienced head at the helm. We had the same problem with the likes of Dunne, Collins, Warnock. Poyet's whole phiosophy needs time and its something they haven't got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 yeah true but fans would have revolted if they had went for a McLeish or a Pulis. Sunderland had problems before with them short term managers, I remember Howard Wilkinson being a nightmare there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) Similar to Gibson at Middlesbrough. Best of intentions and naïve to the point of relegation. In fairness boro won a league cup, and got to a uefa cup final under gibsons bankrolling. They have imploded since he stopped spending. Sunderland, id guess have a net spend under Ellis short of £100+ since he took over and have nowt to show for it Edited October 21, 2013 by Jimzk5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 21, 2013 Moderator Share Posted October 21, 2013 Similar to Gibson at Middlesbrough. Best of intentions and naïve to the point of relegation. Similar to someone else I can think of only he got lucky, twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 21, 2013 Moderator Share Posted October 21, 2013 Similar to Gibson at Middlesbrough. Best of intentions and naïve to the point of relegation. Similar to someone else I can think of only he got lucky, twice.That was in my mind when posting that :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Dead and buried as far as i can see looking at the table Even with a new manager they got a right hiding Just look at what they have to work with in the back four as well Makes our defence last season look cast iron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ghost Posted October 23, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Ah, the wonders of the internet... Things that have more points than Sunderland Sunderland have had more managers than points this season Edited October 23, 2013 by Ghost 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Ah, the wonders of the internet... Things that have more points than Sunderland Sunderland have had more managers than points this season I think that's what you call hubris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Sunderland manager Gus Poyet: "It is difficult to take. Football is unpredictable but when you start well and have chances you have to take them. "Unfortunately the mistake [from Lee Cattermole for Gabriel Agbonhlahor's goal] was against us and after that there were too many nerves and too much tension. "I don't know why they were nervous and we were not organised enough. People were making individual decisions, but not thinking as a team and that disappoints me. I'm getting a little bit fed up. "The weakest people look for excuses and it is all down to us to correct it. We miss quality to play at this level and do what we need to do when we are in control of the game." Is Di canio back? Fed up already bless him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 So after reading their forum thread about Gabby I saw another about their own racist fans. "Im racist i think, some of the things i say in the spur of the moment" What on earth.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted January 1, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2014 How the **** can they call Gabby dirty when they've had about 37 red cards this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Thought poyet handed us the game with his team selection. To leave Gardner Larsen and Johnson out was bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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