BOF Posted April 17, 2012 Moderator Share Posted April 17, 2012 To be honest I think we should stick to the issues that matter. The amount of games Randy turns up for is just window-dressing. It was never about that and it shouldn't be about it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderholt Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I wonder if Randy has considered the cost of sacking an underperforming manager against the cost of relegation? He must have considered it, I posted a similar question a while back, surely sacking him now for a few million compo would be cheaper than the tens of millions in losses if we were relegated. Maybe he's prepared to ride his luck!!! Man, Randy must be a one hell of a gambler, I can see him at the high rollers table at Ceasers Palace in Vegas with $1 million chips in his hand thinking "red or black, oh i just can't decide" Or maybe he's not a high stakes gambler & just has complete blind faith in his dummy of a manager he's appointed. Or he's a sadistic crazy freak who gets off on all this shit!!!! i don't!!! Incidently don't clubs get more money depending on what position they finish in the league. if we finish say 15th & not 8/9th (as per Faulkner's prediction) then i wonder how many millions have been lost already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Oh Randy, you bought us and started re-shaping. And we loved you until, Oh Randy. Hiring Alex just felt like a raping. Now some want to kill, Oh Randy. Sorry, mind went a wandering just then... Hahahahahahahah. That's frigging funny! High 5 to that right there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 17, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted April 17, 2012 He must have considered it, I posted a similar question a while back, surely sacking him now for a few million compo would be cheaper than the tens of millions in losses if we were relegated. Maybe he's prepared to ride his luck!!! Well if i were Randy i'd be looking at Wolves and thinking getting rid of him now might not be the best solution. It's too late to sack the manager now IMO. Best to wait until the summer. (though i still dont think he will do it.) 2 weeks ago we looked like we would more then likely stay up, it's still looking like that really now. So how much of a gamble really is it? Things would have to go horribly wrong for us to get relegated now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I wonder if Randy has considered the cost of sacking an underperforming manager against the cost of relegation? He must have considered it, I posted a similar question a while back, surely sacking him now for a few million compo would be cheaper than the tens of millions in losses if we were relegated. Maybe he's prepared to ride his luck!!! Man, Randy must be a one hell of a gambler, I can see him at the high rollers table at Ceasers Palace in Vegas with $1 million chips in his hand thinking "red or black, oh i just can't decide" Or maybe he's not a high stakes gambler & just has complete blind faith in his dummy of a manager he's appointed. Or he's a sadistic crazy freak who gets off on all this shit!!!! i don't!!! Incidently don't clubs get more money depending on what position they finish in the league. if we finish say 15th & not 8/9th (as per Faulkner's prediction) then i wonder how many millions have been lost already? I wonder if he feels that consistency is the key ? IE - If you stick with the same manager - and keep the youth players together - ultimately you will end up with a good team. ? Flawed - but I just wonder if he looks at Moyes and Fergie - and thinks that those clubs not swapping managers is the key. It isn't - its ability - stickin with the wrong manager is just a destructive as swapping managers (which do'n do when you have a good one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderholt Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 He must have considered it, I posted a similar question a while back, surely sacking him now for a few million compo would be cheaper than the tens of millions in losses if we were relegated. Maybe he's prepared to ride his luck!!! Well if i were Randy i'd be looking at Wolves and thinking getting rid of him now might not be the best solution. It's too late to sack the manager now IMO. Best to wait until the summer. (though i still dont think he will do it.) 2 weeks ago we looked like we would more then likely stay up, it's still looking like that really now. So how much of a gamble really is it? Things would have to go horribly wrong for us to get relegated now. The Wolves situation is on a lot minds at the moment (maybe Randy's too, who knows) but more often that not sacking the manager gives the team, caretaker manager & fans a massive lift. We look likely to stay up but we need points desperately & we aren't getting them (19th in the prem form table) what's the chance of not winning a single game of our last 5, who'd of thought Wigan would get 9 points from Plop, ManUre & Arse. things still could go horribly wrong for us. i'm not much of a gambler but i'd get shot of Mclueless now before we only get 2 draws from our last 5 games & drop into the Abyss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I think Mcleish is safe until our fate is sealed. The die is cast for this season - a combination of fans protests, low renewals, and escaping relegation by a whisker - should be enough for a parting of the waves though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 He bought the club after our worst season in the prem. 6 years later and millions and millions of pounds spent he is the owner of a team who will produce a season even worse. And there are people who will try and defend that? Mind blowing. Learnt from his mistakes? Hiring Mcleish after houllier isn't learning. Sticking with Mcleish after our worst ever premiership season isn't learning. Look at the browns. A future of being a nothing team. The only thing Lerner can produce as a sports team owner. Too true. This is a football club being run as a business by business men. Granted, you need that, but football decisions should always come first because that is the product that sells the tickets. I am not saying that the club should spend beyond its means but that is not required to play good football as is exampled by Swansea, Norwich et al who have been built on a budget and through a football philosophy. Putting McPiss in charge was always going to mean the product suffered which for me is the reason I don't attend the games. Poor decision made that should have involved a greater level of foresight than the view Faulkner got when his head was stuck in Fergies arse. Under Hou, although it was a tough season, the philosophy was right and the fans enjoyed the team having a go. Hou just didn't have the dressing room. We ruined the chance to continue the evolution that had taken place from MON to a creative, passing team because of a poor footballing decision made by a man in a suit from a credit card company. Time to put pride aside Lerner and give the fans the nod on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 17, 2012 Moderator Share Posted April 17, 2012 He bought the club after our worst season in the prem. 6 years later and millions and millions of pounds spent he is the owner of a team who will produce a season even worse. And there are people who will try and defend that? Mind blowing. Learnt from his mistakes? Hiring Mcleish after houllier isn't learning. Sticking with Mcleish after our worst ever premiership season isn't learning... Too true. This is a football club being run as a business by business men. Granted, you need that, but football decisions should always come first because that is the product that sells the tickets. I am not saying that the club should spend beyond its means but that is not required to play good football as is exampled by Swansea, Norwich et al who have been built on a budget and through a football philosophy. Selective quoting by me, but there's a fair bit of this that I don't think is quite right. The club wasn't bought as a business thing, and isn't being run and hasn't been, as a business. It's like someone who buys an old and rusty classic car, spends more than the car will ever be worth and restores it. Sure, one day they think they'll sell it, but they didn't buy it to make money, as a business thing. It's a hobby. They drive it around, enjoy it, but at some point they start to reign back the spending on the car, and it starts to rust again. That's what's happened with Villa. The car owner may end up with a car as rusty as they started with, but they have driven to Wembley, to Europe, and all round the country in it. Sure it looks the same now, a few years on, but there was the fun, when it was done up. The choice of recent mechanic was daft, the bloke was a renowned specialist in botch jobs, the previous mechanic had to go off sick and was out of touch anyway, and the one before that got the car up and running again, but was always buying extra parts, then never using them, or they were the wrong parts to make the car good enough to win a concourse competition. So it's never been a "business" issue, only an affordability issue. Will we find a decent mechanic to undo the mess, or will the car end up at auction and scrapped? There's IMO too much talk by fans of either hoping for a fairy godfather or talk about money not football. Don't look at Villa like it's a Plc that's costing a billionaire 200 million pounds, look at it like a classic car or old house that's needed renovating, was renovated, but now needs a bunch more work, is my unsolicited advice Oh and sack the mechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Time to wheel this old YouTube favourite out again for a bit of light hearted humour amongst all the doom and gloom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr4zVVXwX-E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b6bloke Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 He bought the club after our worst season in the prem. 6 years later and millions and millions of pounds spent he is the owner of a team who will produce a season even worse. And there are people who will try and defend that? Mind blowing. Learnt from his mistakes? Hiring Mcleish after houllier isn't learning. Sticking with Mcleish after our worst ever premiership season isn't learning... Too true. This is a football club being run as a business by business men. Granted, you need that, but football decisions should always come first because that is the product that sells the tickets. I am not saying that the club should spend beyond its means but that is not required to play good football as is exampled by Swansea, Norwich et al who have been built on a budget and through a football philosophy. Selective quoting by me, but there's a fair bit of this that I don't think is quite right. The club wasn't bought as a business thing, and isn't being run and hasn't been, as a business. It's like someone who buys an old and rusty classic car, spends more than the car will ever be worth and restores it. Sure, one day they think they'll sell it, but they didn't buy it to make money, as a business thing. It's a hobby. They drive it around, enjoy it, but at some point they start to reign back the spending on the car, and it starts to rust again. That's what's happened with Villa. The car owner may end up with a car as rusty as they started with, but they have driven to Wembley, to Europe, and all round the country in it. Sure it looks the same now, a few years on, but there was the fun, when it was done up. The choice of recent mechanic was daft, the bloke was a renowned specialist in botch jobs, the previous mechanic had to go off sick and was out of touch anyway, and the one before that got the car up and running again, but was always buying extra parts, then never using them, or they were the wrong parts to make the car good enough to win a concourse competition. So it's never been a "business" issue, only an affordability issue. Will we find a decent mechanic to undo the mess, or will the car end up at auction and scrapped? There's IMO too much talk by fans of either hoping for a fairy godfather or talk about money not football. Don't look at Villa like it's a Plc that's costing a billionaire 200 million pounds, look at it like a classic car or old house that's needed renovating, was renovated, but now needs a bunch more work, is my unsolicited advice Oh and sack the mechanic Great analogy Blandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 If you're going to think of Villa as doing up a car, then it would an old Jaguar that has had far too much spent on crap parts like big bore exhausts and body kit, that weren't required. In the mean time, other lesser classic cars like a Triumph Dolomite have been sensitively restored, and are roaring past us on the M6, while we wait on the hard shoulder for the AA to turn up. Our classic car owner, a right thicky who borrowed money off his dad, now refuses to spend money on basics like oil and petrol, has filled it up with diesel instead, and it now sits rusting on his drive next to the knackered Pontiac Firebird he inherited off his dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 If you're going to think of Villa as doing up a car, then it would an old Jaguar that has had far too much spent on crap parts like big bore exhausts and body kit, that weren't required. In the mean time, other lesser classic cars like a Triumph Dolomite have been sensitively restored, and are roaring past us on the M6, while we wait on the hard shoulder for the AA to turn up. Our classic car owner, a right thicky who borrowed money off his dad, now refuses to spend money on basics like oil and petrol, has filled it up with diesel instead, and it now sits rusting on his drive next to the knackered Pontiac Firebird he inherited off his dad. superb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Only Jeremy Clarkson can save us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 If you're going to think of Villa as doing up a car, then it would an old Jaguar that has had far too much spent on crap parts like big bore exhausts and body kit, that weren't required. In the mean time, other lesser classic cars like a Triumph Dolomite have been sensitively restored, and are roaring past us on the M6, while we wait on the hard shoulder for the AA to turn up. Our classic car owner, a right thicky who borrowed money off his dad, now refuses to spend money on basics like oil and petrol, has filled it up with diesel instead, and it now sits rusting on his drive next to the knackered Pontiac Firebird he inherited off his dad. superb Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted April 18, 2012 Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2012 If you're going to think of Villa as doing up a car, then it would an old Jaguar that has had far too much spent on crap parts like big bore exhausts and body kit, that weren't required. In the mean time, other lesser classic cars like a Triumph Dolomite have been sensitively restored, and are roaring past us on the M6, while we wait on the hard shoulder for the AA to turn up. Our classic car owner, a right thicky who borrowed money off his dad, now refuses to spend money on basics like oil and petrol, has filled it up with diesel instead, and it now sits rusting on his drive next to the knackered Pontiac Firebird he inherited off his dad. superb Brilliant Made me laugh thanks for that one Risso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I find this hard to believe. But a poster on another forum has said the club forecast for season ticket sales is 4,000 ! - Lerner would have to act if thats the case. More likely to be 4,000 down - but even that is a 20% drop. And I can't see Mcleish's scintillating football bringing in many casual fans ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I find this hard to believe. But a poster on another forum has said the club forecast for season ticket sales is 4,000 ! - Lerner would have to act if thats the case. More likely to be 4,000 down - but even that is a 20% drop. And I can't see Mcleish's scintillating football bringing in many casual fans ! If it was 4000 they'd all have to step down, those figures would be truly embarrassing for Faulkner and McLeish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 If you're going to think of Villa as doing up a car, then it would an old Jaguar that has had far too much spent on crap parts like big bore exhausts and body kit, that weren't required. In the mean time, other lesser classic cars like a Triumph Dolomite have been sensitively restored, and are roaring past us on the M6, while we wait on the hard shoulder for the AA to turn up. Our classic car owner, a right thicky who borrowed money off his dad, now refuses to spend money on basics like oil and petrol, has filled it up with diesel instead, and it now sits rusting on his drive next to the knackered Pontiac Firebird he inherited off his dad. Brilliant! I would say though that Villa is kind of like a Reliant Robin, when we "turn the corner" as some say, this usually happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 If you're going to think of Villa as doing up a car, then it would an old Jaguar that has had far too much spent on crap parts like big bore exhausts and body kit, that weren't required. In the mean time, other lesser classic cars like a Triumph Dolomite have been sensitively restored, and are roaring past us on the M6, while we wait on the hard shoulder for the AA to turn up. Our classic car owner, a right thicky who borrowed money off his dad, now refuses to spend money on basics like oil and petrol, has filled it up with diesel instead, and it now sits rusting on his drive next to the knackered Pontiac Firebird he inherited off his dad. Like it, very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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