Jimzk5 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I can only assume he said something to the the refs themselves after the game as you wouldnt get a ban for simply saying it was the wrong decision, no matter which manager said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I would sooner the FA was investigating the possible bribing of officials rather than wasting their time with this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge_Yellow Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I wouldn't get too hung up about officiating. The reality is that if an incident happens at Eastlands with nearly 50,000 people appealing for it, the referee is going to naturally be more inclined to give the decision in favour of the home team. It is just human nature and you have to an incredibly strong individual not be swayed by that. You were on the end of a rough one there but equally you were the beneficiaries of two pretty generous pieces of officiating against Norwich where Elliott Bennett was fouled in front of the Holte End and Chris Herd was remarkably fortunate not to receive a second yellow card. Its an old cliche but they do have a knack of evening themselves out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I may have to make this a daily request fellas... Please stop quoting Morpheus as it means people who have blocked him have to look at his posts. Houllierout's posts too Can that be done ? How do I do it - it would be great to chat about the Villa and enjoy it again. Please tell me !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I like the style of playing that Lambo is trying to give the team, and I'll always back our manager, but since the Norwich game I couldn't help but acknowledge the absolute mediocrity of our midfield. The whole department has scored only one goal with KEA so far. Bannan and Albrighton proved to be not good enough for the Premier League, Westwood is too inexperienced, Kea, Delph, Zog and Herd are of championship level, Ireland is quite gifted but shows a dramatic lack of continuity and consistency. Apart from the injuried Gardner, Holman is the best and this speaks volumes about the value of our midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dappadan Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I wouldn't get too hung up about officiating. The reality is that if an incident happens at Eastlands with nearly 50,000 people appealing for it, the referee is going to naturally be more inclined to give the decision in favour of the home team. It is just human nature and you have to an incredibly strong individual not be swayed by that. You were on the end of a rough one there but equally you were the beneficiaries of two pretty generous pieces of officiating against Norwich where Elliott Bennett was fouled in front of the Holte End and Chris Herd was remarkably fortunate not to receive a second yellow card. Its an old cliche but they do have a knack of evening themselves out. I agree with things even themselves out but nobody appealed for it mate as nothing happened they were all getting ready for a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 ""I would sooner the FA was investigating the possible bribing of officials rather than wasting their time with this. "" This.^^ exactly this!... Will never happen though.. It's a bit like expecting a casino to investigate the payouts on it's slot machines. The fact is it's all about the money so far as the FA are concerned. I really don't buy this "the ref was swayed by the home crowd" stuff either, for the simple reason they are .. well... Premier League referees!..Maybe a raw, new ref on a sunday league park could be pressured into making such a blatant error of judgement yes but surely a Premier League official would have enough knowledge & experience of such matters to not allow it to have such an impact? In the same way i wouldn't expect a fireman to run away from a fire because there were flames present. Or a politician to cave in & give away the real truth when being interrogated on TV?.... Because they are highly trained in how to deal with this as it is what they do!! So i'm afraid the "pressured into it" line simply doesn't wash in my opinion. Then we have the other argument of "Fear of reprisals" especially when officiating games involving the sky4 & the extra scrutiny they bring. This begs the question "fear of reprisals from whom exactly?" Most employees would surely be most afraid of upsetting their boss? So doesn't the evidence actually indicate that they are under extra pressure to make sure they don't make errors which go "against" those particular sides? For me this shows that they often take what they percieve to be the "easy option" when officiating in these games. The easy option appearing to be if in doubt award it to the big team? This for me gives evidence of the general brief from higher up... In other words they protect themselves by calling all the big decisions in favour of the "big" team as they know this will get them favour with their employer... who just happens to benefit financially when those "big" teams have a successful season with extra monies coming in from overseas (As admitted by certain a FA member not so long back). Then we have this situation with our own Paul Lambert. He dared to mention the shocking decisions which ultimately effected the game in a major way. Yes we were second best... of course we were but that is immaterial. We all know that at 0-0 it's anybody's game no matter how much one team is dominating...thats football for goodness sake. We also know that goals change games so that dog awful decision was huge & definatley a deciding factor in the game. So Mr Lambert rightly was appalled at the decision (amongst others) & was right to say what he thought considering just how bad it was. We also know of some other managers who would have been outraged at far less. Even a couple of minutes injury time can cause some managers to practically go into seizure, so i dread to think what they would have done when being victim to a phantom penalty award with the game at 0-0?!... Mr Ferguson for example. Funny how you just know the FA would not even mention the affair however if it had been him & not PL let alone fine him 8000 & touchline ban him for a game?! Odd is the only way i can sum it all up....Just odd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolteExile Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I wouldn't get too hung up about officiating. The reality is that if an incident happens at Eastlands with nearly 50,000 people appealing for it, the referee is going to naturally be more inclined to give the decision in favour of the home team. That's great. Except neither their fans or players appealed for it. They were as bemused as we were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I like the style of playing that Lambo is trying to give the team, and I'll always back our manager, but since the Norwich game I couldn't help but acknowledge the absolute mediocrity of our midfield. The whole department has scored only one goal with KEA so far. Bannan and Albrighton proved to be not good enough for the Premier League, Westwood is too inexperienced, Kea, Delph, Zog and Herd are of championship level, Ireland is quite gifted but shows a dramatic lack of continuity and consistency. Apart from the injuried Gardner, Holman is the best and this speaks volumes about the value of our midfield. So you like the style of play, just not the midfield? Isn't that the bit that usually does most of the entertaining stuff?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I too think the midfield is most suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I wouldn't get too hung up about officiating. The reality is that if an incident happens at Eastlands with nearly 50,000 people appealing for it, the referee is going to naturally be more inclined to give the decision in favour of the home team. It is just human nature and you have to an incredibly strong individual not be swayed by that. You were on the end of a rough one there but equally you were the beneficiaries of two pretty generous pieces of officiating against Norwich where Elliott Bennett was fouled in front of the Holte End and Chris Herd was remarkably fortunate not to receive a second yellow card. Its an old cliche but they do have a knack of evening themselves out. You seem to be forgetting that we also had Bennett unfairly sent off in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 That's great. Except neither their fans or players appealed for it. They were as bemused as we were. As a ref, you'd be surprised. This stuff just happens sometimes. You give a decision and sometimes immediately regret it or think about it and realise you've **** up when it's too late. You can convince yourself you've seen something when really, you haven't (I know that sounds ridiculous but I challenge any of you to referee for a season and not have something like that happen to you). Stupid mistakes happen in all walks of life. I don't believe for a second that refs are biased or paid off and I don't think anyone else really believes it either. I've had some brilliant games and some games where I have managers in my changing room telling me to **** off and die at the end. You win some you lose some. That linesman will be dropped. Who knows if that even ends his PL career. It doesn't take much if you're not at the very top. One things for sure, managers and players slagging off refs doesn't help anything, so why bother? All it does is make senior refs perform badly under too much abuse and too much pressure, and it makes young and promising referees quit the game. No one benefits. It's psychologically damaging and it just keeps the problem going as managers have so much influence over their own players and also at grassroots level. If they have a complaint, make it to the FA or the referee's chief and they'll deal with it (although I'm aware that the FA is a mess and the whole system of officiating, complaints and procedure needs overhauling). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge_Yellow Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 You seem to be forgetting that we also had Bennett unfairly sent off in that game. He chopped Bennett down for his first booking. He then tugged him back in full view of the linesman for the second one. There was absolutely nothing unfair about that in my opinion. But I suspect we will have to agree to disagree. I don't want to turn this thread away from the main topic which is Paul Lambert. As I have stated previously. The guy has the potential to be a top, top manager. It wasn't nice how he left us but if you support him and allow him to carry out his long term vision. You will funnily enough get long term success. If he hounded out for Harry Redknapp that is an act of footballing vandalism in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartin82 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I wouldn't get too hung up about officiating. The reality is that if an incident happens at Eastlands with nearly 50,000 people appealing for it, the referee is going to naturally be more inclined to give the decision in favour of the home team. It is just human nature and you have to an incredibly strong individual not be swayed by that. You were on the end of a rough one there but equally you were the beneficiaries of two pretty generous pieces of officiating against Norwich where Elliott Bennett was fouled in front of the Holte End and Chris Herd was remarkably fortunate not to receive a second yellow card. Its an old cliche but they do have a knack of evening themselves out. I'm not disputed the penalties, albeit they seemed fairly lenient These things happen... I'm disputing how such passive remarks after the game from our manager can be deemed as improper conduct. It's absolutely pathetic. The FA have it written into contracts the managers have to give these interviews and then fine them when they say the referee wasn't the best thing ever. Soon they'll start giving the responses to questions to the managers. Either let the managers have freedom of speech or don't force them to give interviews. Muppets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 From the Mirror article in relation to this: It is understood Lambert's charge emanated from an incident involving the match officials in the tunnel immediately after the match at Etihad Stadium. Maybe he did something we don't know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 So you like the style of play, just not the midfield? Isn't that the bit that usually does most of the entertaining stuff?! I like our mentality, that we try to play an entertaining passing football, trying to build from the back instead of limiting to belt the ball clear. But I have the impression that the midfielders are quite average/inexperienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I like the style of playing that Lambo is trying to give the team, and I'll always back our manager, but since the Norwich game I couldn't help but acknowledge the absolute mediocrity of our midfield. The whole department has scored only one goal with KEA so far. Bannan and Albrighton proved to be not good enough for the Premier League, Westwood is too inexperienced, Kea, Delph, Zog and Herd are of championship level, Ireland is quite gifted but shows a dramatic lack of continuity and consistency. Apart from the injuried Gardner, Holman is the best and this speaks volumes about the value of our midfield. I don't really see how you can abstract the "style" of play from the abilities and performance of the players. What we have is a weak midfield with no decent tackler/distributor/creative player; a defence that is prone to panic and collapse whenever it goes a goal or two down, and forwards who don't take enough shots or score enough goals. That is our "style", in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I too think the midfield is most suspect. I'd agree, they fail to protect the defence, create very little and don't score often enough. We have not replaced Petrov, the narrow diamond was a poor idea from PL, let's hope that's been scrapped, but we must improve our midfield as a priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 He chopped Bennett down for his first booking. He then tugged him back in full view of the linesman for the second one. There was absolutely nothing unfair about that in my opinion. But I suspect we will have to agree to disagree. I don't want to turn this thread away from the main topic which is Paul Lambert. As I have stated previously. The guy has the potential to be a top, top manager. It wasn't nice how he left us but if you support him and allow him to carry out his long term vision. You will funnily enough get long term success. If he hounded out for Harry Redknapp that is an act of footballing vandalism in my opinion. They were both at each other for the second booking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 22, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2012 If he hounded out for Harry Redknapp that is an act of footballing vandalism in my opinion. I'd be so so angry if that happened. Not because of how I feel or don't feel about Paul Lambert. Just because it would make our club look pathetic. Luckily, that won't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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