HanoiVillan Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 If you believe in good government, or even just government that follows basic ethical principles and democratic norms, then there has to be *some* consequence to a government that breaks those principles and norms. If there is no consequence, then the principles don't exist. Those who suggest that the impeachment will damage the Democrats will probably be right, but I don't see much of an alternative. The real issue is that one party is at least gesturing towards being interested in upholding democratic norms, while the other has completely stopped pretending. This seems like it's only getting worse, sadly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 How to be even more abhorrent? A presidential first apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 10 hours ago, sne said: How to be even more abhorrent? Well... Also a felony btw 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 24, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 24, 2020 10 hours ago, sne said: How to be even more abhorrent? Easy vote winner in America, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Well... Also a felony btw I'm confused about what the felony is here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm confused about what the felony is here? Sure looks like tampering with a jury to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 46 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm confused about what the felony is here? Threatening a jury with physical violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 It's not a real threat of violence - it's obviously a figure of speech, albeit an unpleasant one - and this isn't a normal criminal trial. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm confused about what the felony is here? Surgically attaching a human head to a fish seems sketchy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: It's not a real threat of violence - it's obviously a figure of speech, albeit an unpleasant one - and this isn't a normal criminal trial. That's a cop out tbqh. It's still a trial with a jury. You can't threaten a jury, with either a figure of speech or real violence. Regardless of the 'normality' of the trial. Imagine if Obama did the same. Or Clinton before his trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: That's a cop out tbqh. It's still a trial with a jury. You can't threaten a jury, with either a figure of speech or real violence. Regardless of the 'normality' of the trial. Imagine if Obama did the same. Or Clinton before his trial. If one of us said it to a senator even as a metaphor for losing their seat the FBI would be knocking your door down in minutes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HanoiVillan Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Picture the scene: Cowering, afraid for their lives, moderate Republican senators (like, uh, John Barrasso?) hide in the dark in a tunnel under the Senate. They've built a fire, and are warming their hands in front of it. They fled down here when a 'member of Trump's team' gave an anonymous interview saying that anyone who went against the President would 'have their head on a spike' (of course, they used their advance knowledge of this announcement to purchase shares in America's largest spear-tip manufacturer). But they're really scared. Summoning their final embers of courage, they turn to each other and agree that this threat of violence, this illegal jury-tampering, was the final straw, and that they will shake off their dirty cloaks, put on their best suits, stride into that Senate chamber, and even if it's the cause of their death by medieval practice, convict this monster in the White House!!!!! Oh no, wait, that's not quite what happened: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Like they were ever going to vote anything other than to dismiss. Theatre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 25, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 25, 2020 Turkeys asking a jury of foxes to convict a wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 4 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Like they were ever going to vote anything other than to dismiss. Theatre. Of course they were never going to vote anything else. So why spend time worrying about their feelings, and comparing them to an actual jury? They're not the jury, they're co-conspirators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 Seems nobody is drawing a link between the new Trump audio in which he says of Ambassador Yovanovitch, "Get rid of her" and "Take her out" and her sworn testimony that said a colleague told her to leave Ukraine immediately because she was in danger. it wouldn't make much sense to actually kill her, but things stopped making sense a while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 The faux outrage re: the PIKE comment is predictable. Anything to give the cowards wiggle room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StefanAVFC Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 14 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Of course they were never going to vote anything else. So why spend time worrying about their feelings, and comparing them to an actual jury? They're not the jury, they're co-conspirators. It's still against the law. They're technically a jury, regardless of the context of the trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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