nick76 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 9 hours ago, LondonLax said: Biden has lost plenty according to the polling. For Trump, it seems almost like that phenomenon when one of our players is out injured for a while and fans start thinking he’s going to be the answer when he eventually comes back in. That’s a good point, although what is going on with the polling. It has been across most of the polls been way off in ‘22 and ‘23 from the major polling outlets compared to actual election results down the card on the various races. They are consistently outside the margin of error and news outlets and commentators are talking about it. The polling people need to sort their shit out because it is no better than guessing at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 10 hours ago, Genie said: I can’t see how Trump will have collected more votes since last time, whereas he must have lost plenty. Did you see the reaction trump got when he went ufc? He jas a bigger following than people think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 38 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Did you see the reaction trump got when he went ufc? He jas a bigger following than people think I don't want to paint UFC fans as right wing boneheads, but what you are saying is that UFC fans are right wing boneheads. Would he have the same reaction at New York Pride? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Seat68 said: I don't want to paint UFC fans as right wing boneheads, but what you are saying is that UFC fans are right wing boneheads. Would he have the same reaction at New York Pride? The point isnt that they are 'bone heads' its that trump has more supporters than you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Just now, Demitri_C said: The point isnt that they are 'bone heads' its that trump has more supporters than you think He has a lot of supporters, that’s undeniable. Does he have north of 80 million though? Thats the question. He got 74 million in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: The point isnt that they are 'bone heads' its that trump has more supporters than you think The point is, depending on the environment, location or event, he will see support. UFC tends to attract a certain type of male, put him elsewhere, a different event or location and the response will be very different. UFC should not be a barometer for a former Presidents popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Just now, Genie said: He has a lot of supporters, that’s undeniable. Does he have north of 80 million though? Thats the question. He got 74 million in 2020. Good question - i think the remaining 6 million will be frustrated voters with biden. As he hasnt been a good president They need him to step aside and get someone new in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Just now, Demitri_C said: Good question - i think the remaining 6 million will be frustrated voters with biden. As he hasnt been a good president They need him to step aside and get someone new in Many of the 74 million will not vote for Trump again, they won’t all be morons who don’t believe the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Good question - i think the remaining 6 million will be frustrated voters with biden. As he hasnt been a good president They need him to step aside and get someone new in No way that Trump will get more votes than last time. There will be Republicans who are disgusted by the storming of the Capitol and he won't gain many undecided voters going for him. Democrats are only in trouble if they replace Biden with someone as unpopular as Hilary Clinton again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: No way that Trump will get more votes than last time. There will be Republicans who are disgusted by the storming of the Capitol and he won't gain many undecided voters going for him. Democrats are only in trouble if they replace Biden with someone as unpopular as Hilary Clinton again. We all said trump had no chance last time then shocked the world. When it comes to america nothing shocks me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Issue is will people turn up to vote for Biden this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted November 13, 2023 Administrator Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: We all said trump had no chance last time then shocked the world. When it comes to america nothing shocks me It also came as a complete surprise to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted November 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Seat68 said: UFC tends to attract a certain type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted November 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Rds1983 said: Uhm, I took that Carly Baker photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Good question - i think the remaining 6 million will be frustrated voters with biden. As he hasnt been a good president They need him to step aside and get someone new in Hasn’t been a good president with everything he’s passed?. Yes he looks like he’s in cognitive decline but him and his administration have a damn good record and the Democrat side of the aisle are pretty impressed with what he’s done and passed under the circumstances and environment of the current America. Whether you like Biden or not, think he’s in cognitive decline or just too old, what they have passed has been rather good and the base are good with that. Yes the swing voters may point to his cognitive decline but they are supporting Trump as the alternative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 4 hours ago, sne said: Issue is will people turn up to vote for Biden this time? Yes because they’ll be voting on the abortion issue. That is going to drive the Democrat support in ‘24 out to the polls plus the swing voters who are women. It’s why the Republicans are losing so many elections since the overturn of Roe. The election next year is too short of a time frame for that to change opinion so even if Biden doesn’t have the vote turnout for him, this issue will drive out the voters in force for this issue which will in turn vote for Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, nick76 said: Yes because they’ll be voting on the abortion issue. That is going to drive the Democrat support in ‘24 out to the polls plus the swing voters who are women. It’s why the Republicans are losing so many elections since the overturn of Roe. The election next year is too short of a time frame for that to change opinion so even if Biden doesn’t have the vote turnout for him, this issue will drive out the voters in force for this issue which will in turn vote for Biden. Well you seen certain about this, hope you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Good question - i think the remaining 6 million will be frustrated voters with biden. As he hasnt been a good president They need him to step aside and get someone new in Can’t tell you how much I disagree with this. Democrat party are United at the moment, watching the turmoil on the right, the last thing they should do is create an issue on the Democrat side for the fight for a Primary. Plus many of the current candidates will turn off the base from Harris to Newsome. Biden is bland they will all get behind him for one more term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, sne said: Well you seen certain about this, hope you're right. Never certain, but I’m obsessed with American politics and the movement despite not being American myself. I love watching all the political sides from media to other outlets to various online platforms, the dark side to the mainstream. It’s so much better than reality tv. I can understand why Clinton lost to Trump in 2016 but I don’t see that with Biden and Trump, not only the individuals but there are so many other factors currently like abortion. I’m very nervous about it but unless something major happens between now and then, imo the abortion issue will continue to drive out the Democrat base. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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