OutByEaster? Posted December 29, 2022 Moderator Share Posted December 29, 2022 I reckon MSD will have one eye on the Albion training ground - three minutes off M6 Jct 7 and on the outskirts of Walsall but close enough to Birmingham to commute, it'd be a homebuilders dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Looks like Lai was supposed to pay a £4.95m loan by the end of today to the club.. a statement from West Brom about an hour ago now states this will happen “early in the new year” - probably suggests no funds for Jan for them either I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 West Brom's owners going all Derby County. They've put the stadium up as security against a loan they've taken. The government need to do something to stop this kind of behaviour, but Tories gonna Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 42 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: West Brom's owners going all Derby County. They've put the stadium up as security against a loan they've taken. The government need to do something to stop this kind of behaviour, but Tories gonna Tory. I don't know if the government should prevent a private business from not doing well. At the end of the day, that's what's happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, desensitized43 said: West Brom's owners going all Derby County. They've put the stadium up as security against a loan they've taken. The government need to do something to stop this kind of behaviour, but Tories gonna Tory. Whats the government got to do with it? Its the football authorities that need to be stopping this shit West brom looking like a dark horse for play offs now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 23 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Whats the government got to do with it? Its the football authorities that need to be stopping this shit West brom looking like a dark horse for play offs now They control who is allowed to buy businesses and what they're allowed to do with them. Football clubs aren't normal businesses. They're part of their local communities and history. They shouldn't be subject to the normal rules of business. If someone came in and decided to asset strip Tesco I'm sure their staff would be upset but at the end of the day I can shop anywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Mic09 said: I don't know if the government should prevent a private business from not doing well. At the end of the day, that's what's happening. We've done this before, and the conclusion of the recent government report into the football industry was (correctly IMO) that football clubs are not simply 'private businesses' but vital community assets. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: We've done this before, and the conclusion of the recent government report into the football industry was (correctly IMO) that football clubs are not simply 'private businesses' but vital community assets. I disagree with such a conclusion - but feel sorry for the fans and employees who suffer through club mismanagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 hours ago, desensitized43 said: West Brom's owners going all Derby County. They've put the stadium up as security against a loan they've taken. The government need to do something to stop this kind of behaviour, but Tories gonna Tory. Security for £12.58 max then, shit hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Mic09 said: I disagree with such a conclusion - but feel sorry for the fans and employees who suffer through club mismanagement. Fair enough. Not that it matters particularly - you're entitled to any opinion you want - but I think the conclusion was very widely welcomed among English football fans and represents how the vast majority of fans feel about the role of clubs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Mic09 said: I disagree with such a conclusion - but feel sorry for the fans and employees who suffer through club mismanagement. Genuinely really interested to hear why you disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) FWIW, while that was the conclusion of the Crouch Report, it was in no way binding, and we've had god knows how many ministers through the revolving doors since then, so god knows if anything will ever actually come of it. Edited January 4, 2023 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: Genuinely really interested to hear why you disagree? Because while I understand that clubs have fans - and that is what the foundation of the 'common good' argument is, they are owned by private investors who are in it for commercial success. Club Support/Community feel are all a bit vague and unmeasurable - the cold fact is NSWE are putting their money in to have a smooth running product rather. I think that the government coming in to say 'stadium which you use as your business venue can or cannot be used in such a way' goes against their ownership rights which are, well, rights. If Tesco owners decide to close/relocate one of the local shops, even though it's an important community centre, well, it is what it is. We are lucky as we have good owners and I understand the 'feeling' of clubs being a community good. And I should underline, don't particularly like my point of view. I just think that's what the bottom line is. But it's not a hill I'm gonna die on. I fully appreciate that football is a bit more that the bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Davkaus said: FWIW, while that was the conclusion of the Crouch Report, it was in no way binding, and we've had god knows how many ministers through the revolving doors since then, so god knows if anything will ever actually come of it. Yes, that is true, though *in theory* the government are still committed to implementing the recommendations (as in, they said they would at the time, and haven't explicitly taken that back). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 They need to do a 10 game unbeaten run and get a Deano promotion special else the writing is on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 5 hours ago, desensitized43 said: They control who is allowed to buy businesses and what they're allowed to do with them. Football clubs aren't normal businesses. They're part of their local communities and history. They shouldn't be subject to the normal rules of business. If someone came in and decided to asset strip Tesco I'm sure their staff would be upset but at the end of the day I can shop anywhere. So whats the point of having the EFL and premier league fa etc if everything that goes wrong in the game we want the government to get involved? Lets not forget what a complete mess the country is in would you trust them? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Mic09 said: Because while I understand that clubs have fans - and that is what the foundation of the 'common good' argument is, they are owned by private investors who are in it for commercial success. Club Support/Community feel are all a bit vague and unmeasurable - the cold fact is NSWE are putting their money in to have a smooth running product rather. I think that the government coming in to say 'stadium which you use as your business venue can or cannot be used in such a way' goes against their ownership rights which are, well, rights. If Tesco owners decide to close/relocate one of the local shops, even though it's an important community centre, well, it is what it is. We are lucky as we have good owners and I understand the 'feeling' of clubs being a community good. And I should underline, don't particularly like my point of view. I just think that's what the bottom line is. But it's not a hill I'm gonna die on. I fully appreciate that football is a bit more that the bottom line. What about the rights of the people whose families have built the club by supporting it for generations? Do they not have rights to a club to support or are you happy to just call them customers? We’re quite happy to tell people who buy a listed building what they can and can’t do with it. It’s the price you pay to own something with that kind of history and local significance. I don’t see this as anything different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted January 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 5, 2023 On 04/01/2023 at 12:15, Demitri_C said: So whats the point of having the EFL and premier league fa etc if everything that goes wrong in the game we want the government to get involved? Lets not forget what a complete mess the country is in would you trust them? Couldn't agree more, Demitri. I trust government with some things, but a free press and the court of public opinion and sports-association-based regulations should be more than enough for football, IMHO, and if not, we need to look at how those stakeholders can reform their approach. Owners need to be vetted more thoroughly, obviously, but not by government. There are better means. Leave government for more frankly important tasks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 17 hours ago, Marka Ragnos said: Couldn't agree more, Demitri. I trust government with some things, but a free press and the court of public opinion and sports-association-based regulations should be more than enough for football, IMHO, and if not, we need to look at how those stakeholders can reform their approach. Owners need to be vetted more thoroughly, obviously, but not by government. There are better means. Leave government for more frankly important tasks. Probably worth reminding ourselves here that football is an export industry and one of the UK's best sources of soft power. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 04/01/2023 at 11:32, Mic09 said: feel sorry for the fans and employees who suffer through club mismanagement. I can understand feeling sorry for the employees, but the fans? Nah, **** them, stripey turds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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