Villarocker Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Westwood and Gardner should watch footage of Gareth Barry to see how to play the holding midfielder role to perfection. He was absolutely brilliant for the toffeemen tonight. Breaks up play and makes great passes, of all distances, forward - usually picking out a teammate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 there were about two periods under Lambert and Sherwood where we were winning (god they were brief) and when he got some confidence he started to look halfway decent. But as the team got worse so did he. I don't think he is terrible, he does the very basics, but at this present time we need leaders and mental toughness, I would rather he was a hard tackling clogger than a light weight player who puts in plenty of nice passes a few yds forwards, sideways and back. But who couldn't score if the goal was 5x the size, he doesn't even take set pieces anymore. Maybe if the team got back to winning ways (without him in the starting eleven) he could eventually be reintroduced and build his confidence back up as for some reason I do think he is capable of more than we see. But honestly I hope Tish and Jedinak become our first choice and we sign some new midfielders in Jan so Gardener and Westwood become surplus to requirements. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rjw63 Posted September 12, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2016 4 hours ago, tismyk said: I was at the match Sunday and though he had a very good game,although I was very, very drunk. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 19 hours ago, andym said: Always available when teams sit off, but when they press he is nowhere to be found, as evidenced by the second halves against Huddersfield, Derby and Bristol. He doesn't score, hardly creates, is slow, can't run with the ball, can't beat a man, can't tackle, can't win headers, can't win physical battles. His technique in terms of controlling the ball and passing is actually very good, and yes his passing accuracy is generally high, and he doesn't always pass sideways and backwards. But watch a game and see where the majority of his passes are made, and where the opposition are when he makes them - they are the safe option nearly every time - to a man who is in space, and only when he himself is given time. Basically he has a lot of holes in his game, and the one thing he is pretty good at, he can only do when hes allowed to do it. For someone who appears to be one of the first names on the teamsheet, i would expect to come away from games and think 'you know, Westwood ran the show today, he was dominant'. I can't think of many times in his 122 games for us where that has happened. Concurred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 17 hours ago, villarocker said: Westwood and Gardner should watch footage of Gareth Barry to see how to play the holding midfielder role to perfection. He was absolutely brilliant for the toffeemen tonight. Breaks up play and makes great passes, of all distances, forward - usually picking out a teammate. Not surprising too, why idrissa is playing so well....having a dominant player to accompany him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) 22 hours ago, markavfc40 said: The trouble is with Westwood is despite him being here over 4 years I am not really sure what type of midfileder he is. He certainly isn't an attacking one or box to box but I don't see him as an holding or defensive midfielder either as don't think he reads the game well enough or is strong enough in that position. You can't really fault his technique. His control is excellent and his passing very good. He rarely takes a chance with a pass though and it is all a little too safe. I think alongside someone more mobile he is fine or if you want to be more defensive I could certainly see him in a three with Tshibola and Jedinak. It doesn't work alongside Gardner though as they are both too ponderous and want too long on the ball and when a fast attack and quick movement of the ball is required they both have a tendency to take an extra touch or play it safe sideways or backwards. Defensively they are also both weak. I find it hard to disagree with that and it is hard to criticise him for not being good enough for what we want. However,I have a less empathetic approach and favour AndyM's rendition. but why oh why have we accomodated this for so long.Its not all down to him, but this kind of stuff is dragging the life out of our results. Edited September 13, 2016 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tismyk Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 17 hours ago, rjw63 said: Wow where did you get my pic from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tismyk Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 17 hours ago, rjw63 said: Good likeness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted September 13, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) 39 minutes ago, TRO said: Not surprising too, why idrissa is playing so well....having a dominant player to accompany him. Gueye played well for us IMO. He just happened to be in the side that got relegated and, therefore, was labelled "utter shit" along with every other player in the squad. Edited September 13, 2016 by bobzy 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 1 hour ago, TRO said: but why oh why have we accomodated this for so long.Its not all down to him, but this kind of stuff is dragging the life out of our results. We're trying to change that with Jedinak and Tish. I know you've got a bee in your bonnet at present, about the midfield not being tough enough. You're right. However they deserve a bit of time to correct the issue no? If they had gone out and signed a couple of powderpuff midfielders in the summer then fair enough. Jedinak is 6'2 and Tishbola 6'3. Jedinak is a **** mountain and from what I've seen of Tish he's a tough kid. Let's see how they develop when fit before we suggest that they're still accommodating a weak midfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Westwood showed some promise in his first season here - he has never improved since though and is probably worse now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) 57 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: We're trying to change that with Jedinak and Tish. I know you've got a bee in your bonnet at present, about the midfield not being tough enough. You're right. However they deserve a bit of time to correct the issue no? If they had gone out and signed a couple of powderpuff midfielders in the summer then fair enough. Jedinak is 6'2 and Tishbola 6'3. Jedinak is a **** mountain and from what I've seen of Tish he's a tough kid. Let's see how they develop when fit before we suggest that they're still accommodating a weak midfield. Fair Comment Dave....I will button it, What with Jedinak not able to come in yet and 6 Years of poor midfield recruitment decisions.....the frustration is getting the better of me. I''ll get my coat..... Edited September 13, 2016 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 13 minutes ago, TRO said: Fair Comment Dave....I will button it, What with Jedinak not able to come in yet and 6 Years of poor midfield recruitment decisions.....the frustration is getting the better of me. I''ll get my coat..... No please don't, I was simply offering an alternative opinion! Your posts make me think, research, think some more. Like I thought Tish was solid but didn't realise he was 6'3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 13, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted September 13, 2016 22 hours ago, ROTTERDAM1982 said: In the 1st half, there were numerous occassions when ,either McCormack or Ayew were in good positions and should have been given the ball.Westwood didn't even attempt the pass, and passed the ball backwards.That is why he has good stats , and that is why he is a complete liability.Limited ability, limited passing, weak, and slow.Not even a Championship player imho. Yep, it's easy to move it back and sideways again but ultimately whilst you get a other positive tick on your successful pass stats it ultimately achieves nothing other than to retain possession. Take an occasional calculated risk to move the ball forwards and we become mobile and positive. Yes don't give it away but without forward passing you will lose every week, week after week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 16 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: No please don't, I was simply offering an alternative opinion! Your posts make me think, research, think some more. Like I thought Tish was solid but didn't realise he was 6'3! I didn't know he was 6'3 either. Dave, equally, I do listen intently to many posters on here inc yourself, Terrytini, Blandy, Markavfc etc....who I find very interesting and 95 % of the time agree with. I have probably said it a few times tonight....read Alex Berwicks fan blog in the Birmingham Mail, its probably internet accessible....very rounded opinion of whats at fault. He is channeling a point at RDM which might be worth considering.....but not in any way shape or form calling for him to go, that would be ridiculous at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: We're trying to change that with Jedinak and Tish. I know you've got a bee in your bonnet at present, about the midfield not being tough enough. You're right. However they deserve a bit of time to correct the issue no? If they had gone out and signed a couple of powderpuff midfielders in the summer then fair enough. Jedinak is 6'2 and Tishbola 6'3. Jedinak is a **** mountain and from what I've seen of Tish he's a tough kid. Let's see how they develop when fit before we suggest that they're still accommodating a weak midfield. Should have signed Peter Crouch if height is the answer to a weak midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Everone here is such an expert in pass direction, I'm sure you'll be able to tell me which of these is Westwood, right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 The one who's pointing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 On 9/12/2016 at 12:35, jimcohen said: Villa fans will never agree on Westwood, so I am not trying to change anyones mind here, but the stats are interesting https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1084911/Live/England-Championship-2016-2017-Aston-Villa-Nottingham-Forest Click on chalkboard and then focus on West2ood. he had the most passes, joint most interceptions, blocks and 3rd most tackles, (behind Ayew surprisingly). Also, second most touches behind Ayew. He never lost possession or gave a foul away. He isn't spectacular and we could do with him chipping in with more goals for sure, but most teams need a guy like him. He starts all games for me with Jedinak. (until we sign someone better) Yet could've quite easily prevented both goals. He's useless. Get Rid. Weak & Cowardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) 31 minutes ago, a m ole said: Everone here is such an expert in pass direction, I'm sure you'll be able to tell me which of these is Westwood, right? I thought it was the latest plans for the next Jewellery Heist in London Ps how to confuse the rozzers Edited September 13, 2016 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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