ROTTERDAM1982 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 So drop Delph then fightoffyou? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) He would work best if we did a 4231 or a 433. In the 4231 he could be paired up with a DM and play a little further forward but not as a traditional #10. In a 433, he could be used with Delph and another DM and he and Delph could play further forward and actually make some runs in the box. He shouldn't be the bottom of the diamond or the main DM. And we haven't seen a lot of cutting through balls, but let's face it, it's not as if Gabby or Weimann makes those runs regularly. He's made plenty of cross field balls or first time passes into good positions. It's not the same as one that splits the defense open, but when they sit so far back, you can only pass it in between so many players. Edited April 29, 2014 by Kwan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandaMac Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 He does passes i expect a Premier Lge player to do, he doesn't do passes like Yaya Toure did to Dzeko on sunday.....that is a good passer. He is probably our best passer, but considering it is the worst bunch of footballers i have had the misfortune to watch down VP in the last 40 years, that is not high praise. Yaya Toure is not a good passer.... he's a £20 million plus passer. Westwood is great at passing. Toure is fantastic, but that's probably part of the reason he cost so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Charlie Adam cost Stoke, what £2m.?.......hes a far better passer than Westwood.Good passers don't have to cost over £20m.Westwood is certainly not a great passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 He does not impose himself on the game. He really is quite anonymous, and to me, the best midfielders are very noticeable I'd beg to differ. Many fantastic midfielders are most noticeable when they're not there, like Stan. (Note i'm not comparing Westwood to Stan or other fantastic midfielders at this stage of his development) Ok, we will have to differ. What does the highlighted bit mean, or am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 He does not impose himself on the game. He really is quite anonymous, and to me, the best midfielders are very noticeable I'd beg to differ. Many fantastic midfielders are most noticeable when they're not there, like Stan. (Note i'm not comparing Westwood to Stan or other fantastic midfielders at this stage of his development) Ok, we will have to differ. What does the highlighted bit mean, or am I missing something? It's the rhetoric that comes from the manager that he does the "unseen work" which in reality is is just a cop-out for when he is totally anonymous and ineffectual. When he plays well, everybody notices it. The idea that we don't notice what he contributes is frankly a bit insulting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 He does not impose himself on the game. He really is quite anonymous, and to me, the best midfielders are very noticeable I'd beg to differ. Many fantastic midfielders are most noticeable when they're not there, like Stan. (Note i'm not comparing Westwood to Stan or other fantastic midfielders at this stage of his development) Ok, we will have to differ. What does the highlighted bit mean, or am I missing something? It's the rhetoric that comes from the manager that he does the "unseen work" which in reality is is just a cop-out for when he is totally anonymous and ineffectual. When he plays well, everybody notices it. The idea that we don't notice what he contributes is frankly a bit insulting. Did you miss the bit where I said I wasn't talking about Westwood, but merely pointing out that some players only become noticeable by their absence, like Petrov? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 He does not impose himself on the game. He really is quite anonymous, and to me, the best midfielders are very noticeable I'd beg to differ. Many fantastic midfielders are most noticeable when they're not there, like Stan. (Note i'm not comparing Westwood to Stan or other fantastic midfielders at this stage of his development) Ok, we will have to differ. What does the highlighted bit mean, or am I missing something? It's that some very good players have a major effect on their team that's not really noticeable when they're on the pitch, but when they're not playing. It's not a reference to Westwood, but more Petrov. Remember how he never really looked like he was doing all that much most of the time, but when we didn't have him we looked a different side (and not for the better). KEA is the most akin to that in the current squad. He gets a lot of crap on here, but when he's not playing we look even worse. Sometimes you just need someone to do the easy stuff. It can have a massive effect on the rest of the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted April 29, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 29, 2014 So drop Delph then fightoffyou? We don't have to play the same formation. The next manager probably wont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Westwood, Cleverley???? Being unbiased Westwood for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kwan Posted April 29, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) Charlie Adam cost Stoke, what £2m.?.......hes a far better passer than Westwood.Good passers don't have to cost over £20m.Westwood is certainly not a great passer. Fun facts: Westwood has 58 key passes and 2 assists Adam has 28 key passes and 3 assists Now you can quibble about what exactly a key pass is but the overlying point is that neither are that far off when it comes to creating chances. Average passing accuracy? Westwood: 84% Adam: 75% But he only passes backwards? Westwood: 71.1% forwards, 28.3% backwards Adam: 60.6% forwards, 39.4% backwards You can make whatever arguments your eyeball can give you, but the fact is that Westwood and Adam aren't that different (and in some respects Westwood is better than Adam) when it comes to passing ability. Does that make Westwood a really great player? No, but he is the best passer on Villa (a sad testament to our midfield) and any arguments otherwise (or that he's not a good passer at all) are silly. Edited April 29, 2014 by Kwan 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Did you miss the bit where I said I wasn't talking about Westwood, but merely pointing out that some players only become noticeable by their absence, like Petrov? I was referring to the whole "unseen work" mantra in general rather than your post per se. Though I must say that I was never a fan of Petrov under O'Neill anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 A goal well taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 His game is getting more and more suited to the physicality of this league. Bargain still IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandaMac Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Good finish for his goal and the 1000th at VP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I think he was overrated in his first season and didn't start this season well, but he has clearly progressed as the season has gone on, not just in terms of his play but also his attitude. He is far less timid than he used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Good player, very consistent - if we actually tried to play more football he would be more useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Pleased for him, hopefully some of his detractors will recognise the kid has ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Another great game from him today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Not quite our player of the season, he's definitely our most improved player of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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