MONCABA Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 The issue is not having money its having money that you can afford to waste....not many clubs can do that.....and we have largely done it. For those clubs that trade at the top Chelsea, Man city, Liverpool ,Man Utd etc .... the odds are lowered against that they will buy a " pig in a poke" sometimes,but rareley, usually the money kinda dictates a bit of quality. The other clubs lower down the league Trade more prudently and find a few gems, their money is more at risk but spend less of it. The danger area is us in the middle.... because our 10 mills a pop are usually for players worth half of that and less and that is where the problem lies. for the best part, our problem over recent years( with the odd exception) we have bought badly...its only the milner,downing, young money coming back in that has avoided a disaster. I am hoping the we trade for the moment similar to the more prudent clubs and start buliding our reputation back to being confident of the slightly more expensive buys being the value we are expecting. A great and sensible post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elGordo Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 12 days into the transfer window and 2 signings, if Mon was still in charge our first signing would be a month away, why is everyone so miserable all the time? I'm not miserable, I'm more excited about villa now than I have been in two years. I can't wait for the season to start and to see what life under Lambert will be like. I'm not saying it will happen but if it does I do strongly believe that little investment this year is unacceptable. We earn more money than the majority of teams. We've been told our kit deal and sponsorship deal are good. The premier league payouts have increased and I would assume season ticket sales have also increased since the appointment of lambert. We've had two years of piss poor investment combined with terrible managerial appointments. We've had two seasons of worrying about relegation and the clubs reputation has taken a big hit. I'm not expecting a spending spree of £60 million or more but I do believe this is the summer that Randy needs to start properly investing again. It's amazing what some people will accept just because it's not Doug making the decisions. I guess this point of view makes me a sadsack that nobody gives a toss about. :cry: Piss poor investment. I would like to disagree. Mr Lerner gave GH 30 odd mill for bent and makoun. He then gave mr ginger baldy around 15 mill. We all know what he gave to the defector. So saying piss poor investment is piss poor literally. Mr Lerner has improved the club. One silly mistake shouldn't make him a tight fisted arsehole. Respect what he has done to the club. Respect what he is doing to the club by bringing in a good hungry manager that has more sense than the defector and will not want instant glory but will build the club. UTV. SOTC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [Piss poor investment. I would like to disagree. Mr Lerner gave GH 30 odd mill for bent and makoun. He then gave mr ginger baldy around 15 mill. We all know what he gave to the defector. So saying piss poor investment is piss poor literally. Mr Lerner has improved the club. One silly mistake shouldn't make him a tight fisted arsehole. UTV. SOTC You are correct in saying he gave GH the best part of 30 mill but that was mainly made up of the 20 odd mill profit we made on transfers the previous summer. As for the 15 mill McLeish got to spend we sold Downing, Ashley Young and Luke Young for around 38 mill so he made a profit on transfers of approx 23 million pound. As for O’Neill he had a net spend of around 70 - 80mill over 4 seasons so 17.5 – 20 mill a season. With that we went form finishing 16th and battling relegation to season on season improvement, a club that challenged for top 4 for a couple of seasons, finished top 6 three seasons on the spin for the first time in over 50 years and reached our first cup final in a decade. During those three top 6 finishes we had the 8th, 6th and 6th highest wage bill in the league. The fact that Lerner couldn’t get our income up to a level to sustain having the sixth highest wage bill is worrying because it is highly unlikely we will again become a consistent top 6 side if we are not in a position to have a wage bill that reflects that. Of course that is not to say we couldn’t as Newcastle showed last season have the odd very good season. It is maintaining it that will again be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 12 days into the transfer window and 2 signings, if Mon was still in charge our first signing would be a month away, why is everyone so miserable all the time? I'm not miserable, I'm more excited about villa now than I have been in two years. I can't wait for the season to start and to see what life under Lambert will be like. I'm not saying it will happen but if it does I do strongly believe that little investment this year is unacceptable. We earn more money than the majority of teams. We've been told our kit deal and sponsorship deal are good. The premier league payouts have increased and I would assume season ticket sales have also increased since the appointment of lambert. We've had two years of piss poor investment combined with terrible managerial appointments. We've had two seasons of worrying about relegation and the clubs reputation has taken a big hit. I'm not expecting a spending spree of £60 million or more but I do believe this is the summer that Randy needs to start properly investing again. It's amazing what some people will accept just because it's not Doug making the decisions. I guess this point of view makes me a sadsack that nobody gives a toss about. :cry: Piss poor investment. I would like to disagree. Mr Lerner gave GH 30 odd mill for bent and makoun. He then gave mr ginger baldy around 15 mill. We all know what he gave to the defector. So saying piss poor investment is piss poor literally. Mr Lerner has improved the club. One silly mistake shouldn't make him a tight fisted arsehole. Respect what he has done to the club. Respect what he is doing to the club by bringing in a good hungry manager that has more sense than the defector and will not want instant glory but will build the club. UTV. SOTC So he appoints houllier and Mcleish and I have to respect him because he got this one right? So next time Heskey scores we have to respect him for finally doing his job? Ridiculous comment and just shows the blind love shown to Lerner. We have spent some money but look at the money that's been brought back in through player sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 It is pointless looking at transfer costs in and out when talking about Lerners investment. The biggest cost to the club is wages. Lerner has pumped in loads of money year after year (even the years we were making a profit on transfers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 12 days into the transfer window and 2 signings, if Mon was still in charge our first signing would be a month away, why is everyone so miserable all the time? I'm not miserable, I'm more excited about villa now than I have been in two years. I can't wait for the season to start and to see what life under Lambert will be like. I'm not saying it will happen but if it does I do strongly believe that little investment this year is unacceptable. We earn more money than the majority of teams. We've been told our kit deal and sponsorship deal are good. The premier league payouts have increased and I would assume season ticket sales have also increased since the appointment of lambert. We've had two years of piss poor investment combined with terrible managerial appointments. We've had two seasons of worrying about relegation and the clubs reputation has taken a big hit. I'm not expecting a spending spree of £60 million or more but I do believe this is the summer that Randy needs to start properly investing again. It's amazing what some people will accept just because it's not Doug making the decisions. I guess this point of view makes me a sadsack that nobody gives a toss about. :cry: Fair enough, but we have bought two players already, you're getting upset because Nursey said there wont be a big spending spree. Since when is he all knowing? Has he had the first news on KAE or ML? No. Maybe PL wants to assess the squad before he decides he has to blow £10mil on a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 It is pointless looking at transfer costs in and out when talking about Lerners investment. The biggest cost to the club is wages. Lerner has pumped in loads of money year after year (even the years we were making a profit on transfers). Exactly, and we still have a lot of players who are not value for money when you take into account the wages they are on, Given, Dunne, Hutton, Collins, Warnock, N'Zogbia, Ireland, Gabby & even Bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elGordo Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [Piss poor investment. I would like to disagree. Mr Lerner gave GH 30 odd mill for bent and makoun. He then gave mr ginger baldy around 15 mill. We all know what he gave to the defector. So saying piss poor investment is piss poor literally. Mr Lerner has improved the club. One silly mistake shouldn't make him a tight fisted arsehole. UTV. SOTC You are correct in saying he gave GH the best part of 30 mill but that was mainly made up of the 20 odd mill profit we made on transfers the previous summer. As for the 15 mill McLeish got to spend we sold Downing, Ashley Young and Luke Young for around 38 mill so he made a profit on transfers of approx 23 million pound. As for O’Neill he had a net spend of around 70 - 80mill over 4 seasons so 17.5 – 20 mill a season. With that we went form finishing 16th and battling relegation to season on season improvement, a club that challenged for top 4 for a couple of seasons, finished top 6 three seasons on the spin for the first time in over 50 years and reached our first cup final in a decade. During those three top 6 finishes we had the 8th, 6th and 6th highest wage bill in the league. The fact that Lerner couldn’t get our income up to a level to sustain having the sixth highest wage bill is worrying because it is highly unlikely we will again become a consistent top 6 side if we are not in a position to have a wage bill that reflects that. Of course that is not to say we couldn’t as Newcastle showed last season have the odd very good season. It is maintaining it that will again be an issue. Agreed but even with all that investment what came out of it. Did we win anything? Maybe Mr Lerner sees that cutting back and changing attitudes may win us something. The defector sacrificed Europe for champs league and we all know how that went. I feel that after the yank trip. Lambo will get a few more in and once the deadwood are shipped out will get more investment to build a better more successful club than the defector could have ever dreamed of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaN.I Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Watford defender Marriappa going to Reading. Hoped were in for him to replace Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaForever1970 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 It's amazing what some people will accept just because it's not Doug making the decisions. I guess this point of view makes me a sadsack that nobody gives a toss about. :cry: I dont understand where Doug comes into this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Agreed but even with all that investment what came out of it. Did we win anything? Maybe Mr Lerner sees that cutting back and changing attitudes may win us something. The defector sacrificed Europe for champs league and we all know how that went. I feel that after the yank trip. Lambo will get a few more in and once the deadwood are shipped out will get more investment to build a better more successful club than the defector could have ever dreamed of. I don't think it was realistic for a net spend on transfers of around 70 - 80 mill over 4 years to expect to get a club from 16h to any higher than 6th. During the three years we finished 6th we had the 8th, 6th and 6th highest wage bill. I therefore think given the amount we spent and the fact we had no higher than the sixth highest wage bill then a 6th place finish was about as much as we could expect. We certainly didn't spend enough to expect to finish above Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and after 2009 Man City. I don't care who the manager is, and I rate Lambert very highly, but we are not going to again become a consistent top 6 side without substantial investment and again having a wage bill that reflects a club finishing in the top 6. As said previously you may get the odd season of success, you may as any club can with a little bit of luck along the way win a cup, but you will not maintain it without the right level of investment and accept that you will have to have one of the top half dozen wage bills in the country if you want to mix it amongst the top 6 season after season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 It's a gradual process we are under we need to accept that but look elsewhere.Talk is Liverpool won't spend alot ,Man United again have spent little and Man City have to unload players before they can buy.This will be a season of addressing last season's mistakes and making forwards strides ready for the following season. Have those teams had two years of relegation worry and piss poor investment in the club? I for one don't think another summer of poor investment is acceptable from Lerner. Lambert was a great appointment but Lerner has a lot more work to do to win me over again. Liverpool have done what we did spent heavily to get champs league on British players and failed hence when they are touting Carroll around to raise funds/free up wages Man City Won the league and have billionaire owners but are not spending without selling.I expect Spurs will only really spend once Modric goes.Teams are being more careful with cash at least for this season. I have no problem with us spending a modest amount as long as its with a long term plan with under MON we didn't have and thus are now in the situation we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Was on Tweeter that Ivan Ramis failed a medical at VP. Anyone see it? Apparently we will give him a second shot. Didnt know we did that...... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I might be on my own, but I think we've got a decent squad and I don't mind if PL doesn't bring in too many players. Especially when you think of all the promising talent thats come through recently, would be unfair to shift them on without giving them a proper chance to shine. Spend a year assessing then decide which areas need improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 ^ especially when the early indications are that theres not too much to spend and we're looking in the bargain basement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I very much doubt that a medical at VP would have gone unnoticed. Def BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 13, 2012 Author Moderator Share Posted July 13, 2012 We don't do medicals at Villa Park for a start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 well villaonsea reputation as the "only trusted ITK" is on the line :D said Ramis is signing today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Villanonsea to the thread please Villanonsea to the thread !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Quick question guys, I know El Ahmadi, but who are the other new signings in the background? They don't look particularly mobile, but I think they could do a job defending corners and freekicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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