Zatman Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 18 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Drug cheating as a player. Controversial drug doping doctor works at barcelona with him. Barcelona paying off refs during his time there. Man city found guilty by Uefa Man city investigated by the prem for 115 charges. Can anyone name another top class manager that's had this level of corruption and scandal follow them round? Its OK when you bring these points up nobody really wants to argue against them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Zatman said: Its OK when you bring these points up nobody really wants to argue against them Not too sure what the argument against them is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 14 VT Supporter Share Posted February 14 8 minutes ago, Zatman said: Its OK when you bring these points up nobody really wants to argue against them That's because nobody wants to argue them. There is no argument. You keep bringing them up to try and start a debate, but nobody is debating it. Nobody is disagreeing or debating that there are concerns around Pep Arguing that he's a good manager isn't ignoring those things 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 (edited) 5 hours ago, Stevo985 said: That's because nobody wants to argue them. There is no argument. You keep bringing them up to try and start a debate, but nobody is debating it. Nobody is disagreeing or debating that there are concerns around Pep Arguing that he's a good manager isn't ignoring those things Nobody wants to argue about a drug cheat with drug and financial doping charges connected to him But still wants to praise his management Mmmmm am very confused Edited February 14 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 Unsurprisingly the Pep enablers went quiet as expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 14 VT Supporter Share Posted February 14 52 minutes ago, Zatman said: Nobody wants to argue about a drug cheat with drug and financial doping charges connected to him But still wants to praise his management Mmmmm am very confused We’ve gone over this for a fair few pages. Keep up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 (edited) 8 hours ago, Stevo985 said: We’ve gone over this for a fair few pages. Keep up Have we though? Maybe i missed it but whats your opinion about him being a drug cheat who also hired a drug cheating doctor? Edited February 15 by Zatman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 20 hours ago, DCJonah said: I don't think Pep is untalented. I think he's overrated and I think other managers have done more impressive things. For me, once city get found guilty, you can only point to his time at Barcelona as anything special. Even if Man City are guilty of spending more than they were allowed he still created a dominant side on a budget smaller than Chelsea or Man U’s. Also, when you talk about him being given world class players at Barcelona, surely they only became world class because of his coaching? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 42 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Even if Man City are guilty of spending more than they were allowed he still created a dominant side on a budget smaller than Chelsea or Man U’s. Also, when you talk about him being given world class players at Barcelona, surely they only became world class because of his coaching? The team he took over won the Champions League two years earlier and was pretty much the spine of the Spain team that won Euro 2008 They were world class before he got there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Just now, Zatman said: The team he took over won the Champions League two years earlier and was pretty much the spine of the Spain team that won Euro 2008 They were world class before he got there I’m not going to accept that he didn’t have a positive impact on developing those players to be the force they became. He even promoted some of them from the Barcelona B team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 7 minutes ago, Zatman said: The team he took over won the Champions League two years earlier and was pretty much the spine of the Spain team that won Euro 2008 They were world class before he got there Tell us again how Messi isn't much good please. I like that bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 15 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15 8 hours ago, Zatman said: Have we though? Maybe i missed it but whats your opinion about him being a drug cheat who also hired a drug cheating doctor? Yes we have. You can read my various responses to DCJonah if you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 16 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Tell us again how Messi isn't much good please. I like that bit. What? Are you saying Messi is only a world class player because of Pep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 19 minutes ago, LondonLax said: I’m not going to accept that he didn’t have a positive impact on developing those players to be the force they became. He even promoted some of them from the Barcelona B team. Was only 2 players he promoted that were successful for Barcelona though. For every Pedro and Busquets was many more Tello, Jeffren, Bojan, Dos Santos or Muniesa These players won major trophies before he took over and after he left 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 39 minutes ago, Zatman said: What? Do you think Messi has been one of the best players ever? He's comfortable number 1 for me. 39 minutes ago, Zatman said: Are you saying Messi is only a world class player because of Pep? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Aside from the Pep debate I just can’t wait for the club and thus their pig headed fans their just desserts. The arrogance and sheer delusional denial they have treated this whole affair with has left me longing for some delicious schadenfreude. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 47 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Aside from the Pep debate I just can’t wait for the club and thus their pig headed fans their just desserts. The arrogance and sheer delusional denial they have treated this whole affair with has left me longing for some delicious schadenfreude. Hell, I long for it just to bathe in the reactions from the Gallagher brothers it will inevitably produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 3 hours ago, Zatman said: The team he took over won the Champions League two years earlier and was pretty much the spine of the Spain team that won Euro 2008 They were world class before he got there no they weren't, the class players that were there were in a dressing room of massive egos who were phoning it in and even then pep still got those world class players to perform better under him than they did previously, you can say xavi and iniesta were world class under rijkaard from 2005 onwards but there's still the fact that pep then elevated their game, and that's the whole point, his skill set is making quality players play their best football 3 hours ago, Zatman said: These players won major trophies before he took over and after he left but they were a contender for the best team in history while he was there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 4 hours ago, LondonLax said: Even if Man City are guilty of spending more than they were allowed he still created a dominant side on a budget smaller than Chelsea or Man U’s. Also, when you talk about him being given world class players at Barcelona, surely they only became world class because of his coaching? He's had a billion pounds plus to build his squad. Name another manager who has had that. Claiming those players only became world class because of his coaching is the trump cult level of ridiculousness that surrounds this guy. An insane comment Edited February 15 by DCJonah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: no they weren't, the class players that were there were in a dressing room of massive egos who were phoning it in and even then pep still got those world class players to perform better under him than they did previously, you can say xavi and iniesta were world class under rijkaard from 2005 onwards but there's still the fact that pep then elevated their game, and that's the whole point, his skill set is making quality players play their best football but they were a contender for the best team in history while he was there He's also failed with this as well. Zlatan was awful under him. Grealish is not the player he was. Phillips was an utter waste of money. But because Pep has unlimited funds because of cheating we can just dismiss expensive flops and focus on the successes. Nearly every other club can't afford to just write off the losses man city can. £100 million player has started 6 games this season. Any other club and the manager would be slaughtered for that. Phillips would be a record signing for most premier league sides but that amount means nothing to pep and City. He didn't work out, who cares, sign the next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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